Tag discussion: dim sum

We have dimsum (incorrect) and dim_sum (correct), but before we simply alias them to fix the typo, I wanted to get clarification on the definition. For both tags, current usage seems to refer to the steamer basket rather than the food items, if a sample of 4 is anything to go by.

Should we just move the posts to dim_sum_basket? Do we keep baskets and the food separate tags or conflate them together with aliases? If so, which direction to alias?

Imho the basket is more important, being the defining, visually distinct, characteristic item that people could spot, tag, and might want to search for. Besides more generic items such as nikuman or dumplings, almost all depictions of dim sum show it in/with baskets anyway.

More baskets, untagged, can be found in chinadress waitress, dumpling*, nikuman -- I intend to tag them once we decide how the tags should go.

I tagged a few more posts with dim_sum but it does seem like the basket is what should get tagged, and if you can see dumplings, nikuman, or whatever inside the basket, then that should be tagged in addition to dim_sum_basket.

I think those containers are "bamboo steamers," in which case wikipedia says the Japanese name for them would be "mushiki" for the round style ones and "seiro" for larger rectangular shaped ones.

Missed the existence of the bamboo steamer tag. But if we were going to conflate everything, I could see an alias dim sum -> bamboo steamer being confusing. In that case I would still favor dim_sum_basket or dim_sum_steamer to retain the "dim sum" part of the tag.

I am against using the Japanese names as the primary tag for this as it actually originates from China, specifically Cantonese cuisine.

Too bad that as a mostly visual resource, we likely will never have a tag for the crow-like sound of a dim sum cart attendant winding across the restaurant floor. "Har Gaaaauuuu," "Shiu Maaaaiiii"....

r0d3n7z said:
Missed the existence of the bamboo steamer tag. But if we were going to conflate everything, I could see an alias dim sum -> bamboo steamer being confusing. In that case I would still favor dim_sum_basket or dim_sum_steamer to retain the "dim sum" part of the tag.

Why? bamboo_steamer is more intuitive on account that it's a steamer made of bamboo, and it's not like dim sum is the only thing that can be cooked or served with it.

Usability and understandability. Conflating the food and the receptacle together may not be immediately obvious or even intuitive for most people. Someone plugging dim_sum into the search would likely have to do a double take before realizing (if at all) that it was substituted with bamboo_steamer by aliasing. By retaining "dim sum" as part of the primary tag it's hopefully more obvious that we've conflated the tags.

Does that make sense..?

There's a wiki for that.

If we're tagging the steamer and not the meal it is used to cook, and it's not used exclusively for dim sum then I'm not sure I can see including dim sum in the tag being warranted.

As Moose says, we can just put "Most commonly used to make dim sum" in the wiki or something like that.

Okay, fair enough. So, are we aliasing dim sum -> bamboo steamer or not?

I think Jxh was indicating he was leaning towards no. I agree with this for the reasons listed above.

Yeah, gonna pass on the alias. I think it's just something we should be conscious about tagging. Maybe get started with some and make sure the wiki is there to explain.

aight, time to get tagging then.