NeptuneStarPrime said:
Agreed
Same
Posted under General
Metalhead33 said:
post #10430953 is completely drawn, high-quality and finished. It's from an artist whose works are usually approved (well, 8 out of 10 times).
It seems to be pure luck. It seems that if what I upload doesn't get noticed by one of three very specific approvers (I won't name them, but they know who they are), then it simply gets lost, because every other approver just goes "Disinterest". As far as I'm concerned, every approver who isn't one of those three only exists to give my uploads the "Disinterest" label.
And I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels that away.Others have commented that to them, it feels like pure luck.
Either your upload gets uploaded at the right time (the right time to be noticed by a generous-minded approver), or it doesn't get noticed by anyone at all (except the Disinterest-people), then it gets deleted, then you post it into this thread, and nobody will bother giving it a second look.
100% Agree.
Alternative is called "approval begging", or tryharding enough until you become a contributor and you won't have to wait for your quality-but-niche images to be approved.
My bordfunker133 images, for example, have been approved partially because the right approver saw them, the rest were deleted and tanked my upload limit.
post #10388655
post #10436606
post #10436686
post #10436726
post #10436908post #10438143
post #10438196post #10438215post #10438234
post #10438260
Those posts were not approved but are part of a pool: pool #27680 around 2/3thds were approved. However, I can't seem to find any consistency between what was approved and what was deleted.
Anime aesthetic characters such as ootori emu or konpaku youmu were not approved but none-anime characters from big bad beetleborgs and extreme dinosaurs were approved. Brian griffin was not approved but mike wazowski was approved. Mobius and the balrog are both drawn as bulky armoured robots but only the balrog was approved despite not being from an anime.
All these posts are relatively identical in terms of artistic and stylistic quality so shouldn't all of them be approved (they are all drawn in an anime art style)? Can someone explain to me why these ones were deleted?
Updated by Xirtr
To those asking for moderation and general reform to the approval process, you're entirely free to do so and to voice your opinions in a well-intentioned way, but it's kind of hard to take the arguements seriously when it's coming from people with histories of not taking on board advice and criticism.
There also needs to be some genuine attempts from some people in this thread to reflect upon the posts they've made and understand why they aren't being approved. It's hard to end up with high deletion ratios by getting unlucky, especially if you already have hundreds of posts.
If you can't see the quality issues with posts such as post #10452541 (E) or post #10295814 then I really don't know what to tell you. Look at status:active approver:any to get an idea of the kind of quality expected or look at users with low deletion ratios if you want. Failing that, use this thread in good faith and hopefully someone will get back to you. If the post is obviously bad then you probably won't be taken seriously in this thread.
A reminder that much like uploaders, approvers do this voluntarily. Things aren't always going to be 100% when there's subjectivity on what counts as "high-quality" but drastically lowering standards would negatively impact the viewing experience on the site.
dividebyzero said:
Alternative is called "approval begging"
To anyone else reading this, please do not approval beg. As for Dividebyzero, my very first day as an approver you sent me a dm on discord asking me to check your posts to which I warned you not to do so (as I now do with everyone who asks me the first time around). You continued asking for about a month until I finally felt the need to cease communication with you. Additionally, you specifically have been told to stop doing it in the discord server generally.
Please stop trying to act like you're only ever innocently asking for feedback when you have been told multiple times by myself and others to not beg for approvals explictly or implicitly.
Feel free to follow up by dmailing me as I don't wish for this to become a bigger issue than it needs to be in an otherwise irrelevant forum.
Xirtr said:
The currently unapproved one's look worse to me mostly because of the faces.
TheGamingRodent said:
Need to know what's wrong with these? They're both pretty well drawn and are in good quality
The bad breast anatomy on this one stands out.
NiceLittleDan said:
If you can't see the quality issues with posts such as post #10452541 (E) or post #10295814 then I really don't know what to tell you. Look at status:active approver:any to get an idea of the kind of quality expected or look at users with low deletion ratios if you want. Failing that, use this thread in good faith and hopefully someone will get back to you. If the post is obviously bad then you probably won't be taken seriously in this thread.
It's funny to use extreme examples like that to justify a broken system when you can check my deleteds anytime to see that, had they been uploaded by an unres, no one would have ever thought to flag them, thus earn a place on danbooru.
But of course, asking for approvals is worse.
dividebyzero said:
100% Agree.
Alternative is called "approval begging", or tryharding enough until you become a contributor and you won't have to wait for your quality-but-niche images to be approved.My bordfunker133 images, for example, have been approved partially because the right approver saw them, the rest were deleted and tanked my upload limit.
I tried that, and it did the exact opposite.
dividebyzero said:
It's funny to use extreme examples like that to justify a broken system when you can check my deleteds anytime to see that, had they been uploaded by an unres, no one would have ever thought to flag them, thus earn a place on danbooru.
But of course, asking for approvals is worse.
Well yeah, considering it's a bannable offense. Not to mention that even if the Approvers were okay with it, your chances would still be lower than just posting it here unless you sent DMails to all of them.
That said, I couldn't find it anywhere, so unless I'm missing something, this seems to be an unspoken rule. I think this should be stated explicitly in help:community_rules so our more conscientious newcomers will know not to do it and misinformation like in the above posts will be easier to debunk.
unrecognized_taste said:
Yah, it’s definitely luck.
We need better moderators who don’t mark every single post as disinteresting.
im not interested in your post. the reason why approvers mark every post as "not interesting" is because theyre not interested.
the approver guidelines say to only approve things that you would personally upload. i wouldnt upload any of your posts, so i dont approve them. thats just how it is.
NiceLittleDan said:
The currently unapproved one's look worse to me mostly because of the faces.
ootori emu and konpaku youmu look a little off that I understand but sayaka (post #10438260) and goemon (post #10438196) look pretty similar to wonder momo (post #10436766) and jenny wakeman (post #10431709) in my opinion and those were approved.
post #10423895
It’s a high-resolution version of an already approved work. At this point, I don’t get a single explanation as to why some works don’t get approved, and I have no idea what I should upload and what I shouldn’t. When I started uploading images in sets, I eventually stopped checking whether they were approved, just to avoid wasting my upload limit — and even within the same image set, some parts get filtered out.
Why was this post rejected: post #10321202 post #10424249 while these are okay: post #10406265, post #10424058?
What’s wrong with posts post #10286929 post #10211950 post #10406315 ?
post #10287639 — here I guess there’s something wrong with the anatomy? I can’t really tell.
post #10436961 — as I understand, this one was rejected because of an unfinished background?
Is the approval process completely subjective, or are there specific criteria that I keep missing?
Updated by M1ndB1ast
dividebyzero said:
It's funny to use extreme examples like that to justify a broken system when you can check my deleteds anytime to see that, had they been uploaded by an unres, no one would have ever thought to flag them, thus earn a place on danbooru.
But of course, asking for approvals is worse.
I used them as examples because they were posted in this thread previously by two users complaining about approvers and moderation.
Hi, any feedback on why these posts weren't approved? Please give a second chance:
post #9418150
Updated by SidBarrett
sabisabi said:
im not interested in your post. the reason why approvers mark every post as "not interesting" is because theyre not interested.
the approver guidelines say to only approve things that you would personally upload. i wouldnt upload any of your posts, so i dont approve them. thats just how it is.
So you’re saying that the approvers aren’t interested in anything and that everyone hates my uploads?
unrecognized_taste said:
So you’re saying that the approvers aren’t interested in anything[...]
On average, 1400 posts get approved per day. It's unfair to say that approvers aren't interested in anything. Approvers are chosen because they are trusted to determine quality and generally do a good job imo.
[...] and that everyone hates my uploads?
You have posted 5 things this calendar year. 3 were approved and 2 were not. The 2 that aren't approved are related to each other and share roughly the same quality, quality deemed not good enough by the approvers that have reviewed it in queue and directly told you in this thread and on discord.
Approvers do not specifically hate your uploads, they judge posts mostly on an individual basis for whether it looks good enough or not. That is of course subjective and varies person to person. Please take on board the criticism rather than constantly having a victim complex. People want to help you understand but if you're not willing then it becomes tiresome to explain over and over again.
This is not my post but why was this one deleted?: post #9065269
It looks like a similar quality to other done by the same artist that were approved.
Is it because of the non-chibi human in it or some other reason?