I've seen it a few times. I put in 'sitting', of course, but beyond that... it might qualify as 'kneeling', perhaps, but it doesn't really look like it to me.
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I've seen it a few times. I put in 'sitting', of course, but beyond that... it might qualify as 'kneeling', perhaps, but it doesn't really look like it to me.
Updated by 0xCCBA696
Ok, after more searching, a western term for the positon is "w-sitting" or "reverse tailor posture" (whereas normal "tailor posture" is the same as sitting cross-legged, Indian style, or agura).
Most western citations seem to be orthopedists arguing that it is a bad style that causes poor muscle tone in children.
Still not finding a Japanese term for it.
Hmm. According to this...
http://japanese.about.com/library/weekly/aa060300.htm
Another, more relaxed way of sitting is cross-legged (agura). Starting with legs out straight and folding them in like triangles. This posture is usually for men. Women would usually go from the formal to an informal sitting posture by shifting their feet just off to the side (yokozuwari).
...so I tagged it yokozuwari for now. Or we could use the western name, I suppose... I guess I should wait for more discussion before I go through and tag more images with it.
Hehe, I spent way too much time on this, but it was bugging me. Thanks to a medical paper of all things, "Open-configuration MRI study of femoro-acetabular impingement" by Yamamura et al says:
These positions included: 1) sitting straight (Seiza); 2) bowing while sitting straight (Zarei); 3) sitting crosslegged (Agura); 4) W-sitting (Katsuza); and 5) squatting (Japanese toilet squatting position). All of these positions are commonly adopted during the activities of daily living in Japan (Fig. 4).
"Katsuza" is the Japanese term, but it can't be too common since Google, Wikipedia, and JEdict all failed me. I'd trust the Japanese orthopedists know what they are talking about though.
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Xabid said:
Women would usually go from the formal to an informal sitting posture by shifting their feet just off to the side (yokozuwari).
I came across that one too, but it seems yokozuwari is sitting with both legs off to the same side (as in post #378676)
Google images for more examples.
Shinjidude said:
Katsuza is the Japanese term, but it can't be too common since Google, Wikipedia, and JEdict all failed me. I'd trust the Japanese orthopedists know what they are talking about though.
I guess that would be "割座", but Yahoo lists the reading as wariza.
See also http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/座法
Xabid said:
I tagged it yokozuwari for now.
No, that's when both legs are shifted to the same side, and the woman is sort of leaning in the opposite direction. Image search 横座り to get an idea.
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%BA%A7%E6%B3%95 seems to have a pretty comprehensive list of these kinds of sitting postures. The one we are discussing is the last in the list, variously called あひる座り, ぺったんこ座り, ぺたんこ座り, 女の子座り, ぺたん座り, おばあちゃん座り, 鳶座り, and 割座. Take your pick, lol. (Hint: there's probably a pixiv tag, maybe we should go with whatever is most common there.)
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zatchii said:
I guess that would be "割座", but Yahoo lists the reading as wariza.
See also http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/座法
That might be why the only relevant instances of "Katsuza" I could find after finding that term were that paper I cited, and a Russian martial arts guide on stretching. I found that somewhat troubling.
Perhaps the Japanese orthopedists didn't know the proper reading and had a paper published with the wrong one?
0xCCBA696 said:
The one we are discussing is the last in the list, variously called あひる座り, ぺったんこ座り, ぺたんこ座り, 女の子座り, ぺたん座り, おばあちゃん座り, 鳶座り, and 割座. Take your pick,
Now we have lots of terms, I wonder why I couldn't find that page earlier. I'd suggest we use the last one (割座, wariza) as above. It seems to be the most specific, rather than calling it "duck-sitting", "flat-sitting", "girl's-sitting", "old-woman-sitting", or "bird-sitting", all of which seem to be more paraphrasic. It's also pretty much exactly what we want judging by Google Images.
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The fact that we are having so much trouble trying to name it, even turning to technical pediatric literature (!?), suggests that borrowing the Japanese term wouldn't be a bad idea. Focus blur isn't an intrinsically Japanese concept either, but we use a Japanese word to describe it. It's just a matter of what most people would recognize and be able to tag or search for intuitively. I don't think w-sitting is any more intuitive than "some random Japanese word" like wariza, and at least the latter would facilitate transference from pixiv, assuming it's tagged there. Unfortunately, after a few brief searches, it seems that the pose is not very well tagged on pixiv, at least with the terms given in the wikipedia article, so I don't know how good of an argument that is.