Kantai Collection alternate costume tags

It has recently come to my attention that a user by the name of "ArcieA" has decided to populate the tags of various alternate Kancolle costumes although it seems that he/she's only been able to fill out a small amount of swimsuit, valentine's, setsubun, and yukata tags. Now personally, I wholeheartedly approve of this effort but I get the feeling that there aren't enough people working on it which is why I'm bringing it up.

Eboreg said:
Now personally, I wholeheartedly approve of this effort but I get the feeling that there aren't enough people working on it which is why I'm bringing it up.

It's yours truly coming forward with the opinion on the matter.

Back when we were discussing about alternate costume tags of various gacha games (here and on Discord), we excluded the Kancolle characters simply because they did not have any official name for these seasonal costumes (and thus would not have any EN name to work with). While it may have seemed like a good idea at first in order to focus on these other gacha games, I brought up the topic out of the blue on March 11 on Discord and we agreed in principle to make chartags for the Kancolle characters because of other gacha games that have precedent on how we can best tackle KC's.

• Umamusume has costume chartags that are derived from commonly-accepted fan translations of the original JP names
• Blue Archive has costume chartags that are simply descriptive depending on what is shown (and that's what gets used as the EN skin name)

KC is a case of both "JP name-only" and "descriptive". So the thinking is that we use whatever names the official JP Twitter announcements use for these seasonal costumes (such as "Valentine Mode" instead of simply "Valentine's", "Haregi Mode" instead of "New Year") and go from there. I mean, if BA charas have that, KC ones should get the same treatment.

Now going back to the original post, yes, this is a new thing and while we do have some dedicated users focusing on KC, they may have missed this recent development. I'm only applying the tags from newest first (as well as getting Shigure Kai San (kancolle)'s swimsuit populated in full) so it might be detrimental to the oldest costumes. I appreciate the concern.

I know that I'm necrobumping this topic, but now that there are now tags from some official alternate costumes, is it okay now to request implications on this tag? Suggested by Damian in the "remodels" discussions thread (topic #18013) which had been converted somewhat into a implication request one.

We also have to have a consistent naming scheme for costumes and collaboration outfits. Especially the swimsuits with *_(swimsuit)_* vs. *_(swimsuit_mode)_* (the latter based on the nomenclature used by the game devs' TwitterX account).

MaskedAvenger said:

I know that I'm necrobumping this topic, but now that there are now tags from some official alternate costumes, is it okay now to request implications on this tag?

I was actually about to create some implication requests. It should be easy to automate the process so nobody has to write "akebono_(kancolle)" 90834 times to go with her countless seasonals.

MaskedAvenger said:
We also have to have a consistent naming scheme for costumes and collaboration outfits. Especially the swimsuits with *_(swimsuit)_* vs. *_(swimsuit_mode)_* (the latter based on the nomenclature used by the game devs' TwitterX account).

I agree that we should set a standard for tag names. I dislike the idea of having "mode" in almost all skin tags, I would prefer *_(swimsuit)_* over *_(swimsuit_mode)_*. It just lengthens tags that can already be pretty long without adding any more information to the name. While it may be nice, unique, and reflect how the developers refer to the skins in their tweets, that information can be expressed in the wiki with links to the tweets or in the other names section. With how many skins the devs use that naming scheme for, it's pretty much implied to be there on any skin even if not explicitly stated in the tag name.

Also, some posts tagged with kai ni exclusive/variant skins don't have the respective kai ni tag. I don't mean to pick on bonobono too much but there are 46 posts of her kai ni swimsuit not tagged with her kai ni, even though all of those posts are accurate to the official kai ni swimsuit art and different from her base swimsuit. I'm sure this skin isn't the only example either. It's reasonable to assume that if a shipgirl is shown in one of her kai ni exclusive outfits she is meant to be kai ni, so we should have the kai ni outfits imply the respective kai ni tag. Same goes for any further remodels like Shigu kai san.

FubukiKai said:

Also, some posts tagged with kai ni exclusive/variant skins don't have the respective kai ni tag. I don't mean to pick on bonobono too much but there are 46 posts of her kai ni swimsuit not tagged with her kai ni, even though all of those posts are accurate to the official kai ni swimsuit art and different from her base swimsuit. I'm sure this skin isn't the only example either. It's reasonable to assume that if a shipgirl is shown in one of her kai ni exclusive outfits she is meant to be kai ni, so we should have the kai ni outfits imply the respective kai ni tag. Same goes for any further remodels like Shigu kai san.

That would be on a case-to-case basis. In case of Akebono, yes (I went ahead and added the K2 tag). But then there are posts like post #3203876 and post #5030034 where base Shigure and base Yuudachi are wearing their "K2" swimsuits. Since those swimsuits are exclusive to K2 officially, we can't tag just put the regular K2 tags in those posts on those, right? (Or maybe treat those as cosplay?) There are also swimsuits that do not change even if the character is in K2 mode (Murasame, Shiratsuyu, and Ushio, with the latter merely adding a straw hat to differentiate), hence no separate K2 swimsuit tags.

MaskedAvenger said:

(Or maybe treat those as cosplay?) There are also swimsuits that do not change even if the character is in K2 mode (Murasame, Shiratsuyu, and Ushio, with the latter merely adding a straw hat to differentiate), hence no separate K2 swimsuit tags.

Treating them as cosplays seems reasonable to me, they're just cosplaying their future selves. As for skins that barely change, it seems fine to have no separate K2 tag. Fubuki's spring mode and 10th anniversary differ by just hairstyle which really isn't enough to justify a separate tag IMO.

FubukiKai said:

As for skins that barely change, it seems fine to have no separate K2 tag. Fubuki's spring mode and 10th anniversary differ by just hairstyle which really isn't enough to justify a separate tag IMO.

Not to mention there's also cases where what are otherwise treated by the game as separate limited-time OACs (some tsuyu mode (Hayashimo, post #3917084) and setsubun mode (Kiyoshimo's, post #2248962) ones, plus the Leyte Gulf event-exclusive OACs (Shimakaze, post #3022290)) are nothing more than just base outfits with some add-ons or items substituted. Those don't merit separate chartags either.

Although we can consider Zuikaku's kai ni-exclusive Leyte Gulf CG (post #3022277) as meriting a chartag as it is different enough from her usual kai ni outfit.

Here's a BUR I'm about to make for the swimsuit tags but can't because most of them have no wiki pages yet.

This is using the nomeclature already applied. Standardization of tag name ("swimsuit" vs. "swimsuit mode") may be discussed later, especially considering some girls have more than two swimsuit CGs under the same umbrella (Gotland Andra's for example).

This is not yet all encompassing as there are also still those whose official swimsuits have not been tagged yet (such as Washington's, DesDiv7's blue bikinis in post #2470750, and those appearing in the 1st anime).

EDIT:
Since the above, several new tags had been created:

BUR #28961 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

create implication kasumi_kai_ni_(swimsuit_mode)_(kancolle) -> kasumi_kai_ni_(kancolle)
create implication shigure_kai_san_(swimsuit)_(kancolle) -> shigure_(kancolle)
create implication suzutsuki_(swimsuit_mode)_(kancolle) -> suzutsuki_(kancolle)
create implication teruzuki_(swimsuit_mode)_(kancolle) -> teruzuki_(kancolle)
create implication shigure_kai_ni_(swimsuit)_(kancolle) -> shigure_(kancolle)
create implication akizuki_(swimsuit_mode)_(kancolle) -> akizuki_(kancolle)
create implication ariake_(swimsuit)_(kancolle) -> ariake_(kancolle)
create implication hatsuzuki_(swimsuit_mode)_(kancolle) -> hatsuzuki_(kancolle)

As per what is discussed above. These already have wiki pages as per requirement.

The bulk update request #28961 (forum #294740) has been approved by @nonamethanks.

BUR #28974 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

First batch of BUR for the rest of the other swimsuit tags. "Dummy" wiki pages had to be created for this implication request, taking a cue from the preexisting one for Kasumi's. These wiki pages can be fully fleshed out later if desired.

EDIT: Continually updating BUR as ArcieA is now seemingly helping out in creating the wiki pages.

EDIT 2: Finalized current BUR; all 87 swimsuit tags originally listed in the initial BUR and the additional 9 have been accounted for.

Another consistency issue is *_(spring_mode) vs *_(mitsukoshi). I won't lie, I made and populated a Mitsukoshi tag for Fubuki because I saw Haruna and I-401 had one before remembering we already have one, it's just called "spring mode". I think it would be more useful and intuitive to name these tags after where the skin comes from, since they're all collaborations iirc, except maybe Helena? (do correct me if I'm wrong on that). The wiki's promotional colab page has a likely incomplete list of Mitsukoshi collaborations.

This is also just another reason I dislike the "mode" naming scheme but that's a discussion for another day.

And there's also those found exclusively in cutout form in various cities (hence some like Gamby's "lost girl" outfit) and collab events.

The bulk update request #28974 (forum #294794) has been approved by @nonamethanks.

BUR #29213 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

create implication nevada_(swimsuit_mode)_(kancolle) -> nevada_(kancolle)
create implication nevada_kai_(swimsuit_mode)_(kancolle) -> nevada_kai_(kancolle)
create implication nevada_kai_mod.2_(swimsuit_mode)_(kancolle) -> nevada_kai_(kancolle)

One more, brand new one. Official art in post #7911173, post #7911193, and post #7910066 respectively. Implying Kai Mod.2 to Kai because we don't seem to have a unique tag for her mod.2.

Maybe one can consider doing "dummy wikis" for the following created after the first big BUR, the tags created mostly basing off post #4709458. Although a few there have been tagged "summer mode" as they are more like just casual summer clothing than swimsuits, not even dress ones. Even Gamby's bikini in that post can be labeled Christmas mode since most art here featuring it also include a Santa hat.

okinami_(swimsuit_mode)_(kancolle)
okinami_kai_ni_(swimsuit_mode)_(kancolle)
suzuya_kai_ni_(swimsuit_mode)_(kancolle)
musashi_(swimsuit_mode)_(kancolle)
kamikaze_(swimsuit_mode)_(kancolle)
harukaze_(swimsuit_mode)_(kancolle)
tama_(swimsuit_mode)_(kancolle)
saratoga_(swimsuit_mode)_(kancolle)
iowa_(swimsuit_mode)_(kancolle)
choukai_(swimsuit_mode)_(kancolle)
maya_(swimsuit_mode)_(kancolle)
amatsukaze_(swimsuit_mode)_(kancolle)
Take_(swimsuit_mode)_(kancolle)

commandant_teste_(summer_mode)_(kancolle)
tan_yang_(summer_mode)_(kancolle)

I was about to do it earlier had I not been sick over the weekend.

EDIT: Of course, whenever I do any new tags, I can't add them to art by banned artists, especially the official art by Parsley-F, which is pretty annoying to say the least.

BUR #29538 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

Additional swimsuit/summer clothes tags, mostly basing off post #4709458. BUR may be updated based on newly created tags and how quickly this and the current BUR for Nevada gets approved.

BUR #29670 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

create implication yukikaze_(summer_mode)_(kancolle) -> yukikaze_(kancolle)

Missing official alternate costume implication I guess. Please notify or DM me if there are more (will update the BUR).

Tetramethylpyrazine said:

BUR #29670 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

create implication yukikaze_(summer_mode)_(kancolle) -> yukikaze_(kancolle)

Missing official alternate costume implication I guess. Please notify or DM me if there are more (will update the BUR).

We are doing this in groups just to ease them. But several Christmas and Halloween costumes have already been given tags as well as the anniversary ones.

MaskedAvenger said:

We are doing this in groups just to ease them.

On the contrary, it's easier for me to follow them if you split them into smaller BURs. It's better to have 5 separate BURs with 3-4 characters each than having a single one with 20 different characters that I need to vet and go through all at once.