Question about Uploads/Moderators...

Oaky..I'm going to ask...

What dose Danbooru like anyways?

Even if you upload something not going against the rules it still gets deleted.

I mean how can something get unapproved for basically no reason. Is is because the moderators where lazy by just simply saying; "Oh another upload from THAT guy..ehh I'll leave it to someone else to approve of it."

I noticed that in most of my uploads that there where others who disliked it by giving it an down ratting--so an unapproved by that standard is understandable to me and I can move on with my life.

Yet at other times I would upload something that would get unapproved even when there was an zero ratting on it--now that makes NO since to me what so ever.

That being said how long dose it even take to approve of something anyways? I'm sure it's most likely the upload and his or her uploading history. That and the moderators have lives there selves I'm sure and aren't on here 24/7.

Reading this you might think I'm being some whining bitch fag about it but I could care less if I get 100 taken down pics (as long as I don't get my account banned or whatever) I'm just an tad confused.

On an side-note perhaps the rules should be changed?

"Do not upload furry, yaoi, guro, toon, or poorly drawn art"

poorly_drawn: post #366785

yaoi: post #427376

furry: post #35665

guro: post #385847

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Combo is continuing...

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That furry post is a really bad example because it's 3 years old but the fact of the matter is that there's exceptions to every rule, they're not hard-set in stone but more general guidelines. That first one I'm not sure will be around for long after being pointed out here but the rest of them are fine as art.

edit: When you're just starting out uploading you just have to learn what's good and bad, upload more of what gets approved and less of what doesn't. There's also a deletion appeal thread for things you truly believe should not have been skipped over and you wish for a second opinion on.

Lurk to see what is acceptable and ask yourself twice if its worth uploading.

Don't use excuses, if there's one thing anyone hates more than shitty pictures its excuses.

If you make a mistake live with it and learn.

This is not to deter you from posting, its just observations. The people who continue to post bad images get banned anyway for repeated offenses.

RaisingK wins the thread. Read those.

And like log said, rules can only be "guidelines" that we follow as best we can. There are hundreds of thousands of images on danbooru and you will never find perfection.

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In defense of the yaoi and guro examples, nothing sexual is occuring. Mostly, it's that one has no showering 'ladies' (I'm shovin' futa in thar), and the other has blood and dead-ish-ness.

LOL at the suggestion(s) of trial-and-error; can't spend too long in limbo, with the formula in place (though, really, I don't know how flexible it currently is).

Somewhat tangental to the original basis of this thread, but would like to know more about why uploaded AND appealed messages don't pass.

I can empathize about not having enough time between school and work for those that do authorize the images. What I'd propose is generating about 12-15 different canned documents to email people's who's appeals were denied; so they can have some idea of what went wrong, or issues with the content.

I don't think that most get particularly mad when their posts get deleted; more the fact that they have no clue why, and with this new voting system (which I see being abused already) if you're doing trial and error to find good series/pics to upload and your success rate is only 5 in 10, you'll eventually get to the point where your ratio is 0 or negative and unable to post anything anymore.

First of all, what do you mean voting system/abuse. The new voting system is the same one we've always had, just no longer accessible to Members. Insofar as it's being abused now, it's less so than previously. If you mean the new upload system, then you'll have to explain how it's being abused.

I do agree that some form of feedback would be good (however, it won't be much more detailed than what you can find on about:mod_queue and howto:upload). I suggested before that there should be an optional line that you can fill in as moderator and will be forwarded to the user if the image doesn't get approved. I'd only really use it for borderline cases where I think the user is salvageable, but I still think it could help people who are confused now.

スラッシュ said:
First of all, what do you mean voting system/abuse. The new voting system is the same one we've always had, just no longer accessible to Members. Insofar as it's being abused now, it's less so than previously. If you mean the new upload system, then you'll have to explain how it's being abused.

I have to agree with him there (Not sure if he meant the same thing, but still.)... there are plenty of idiots that are already Privileged or more, so the problem is still there. (Not talking about the -200 downvoted pictures, but other issues, see huge_breasts and futanari. Ohmygosh, I wonder what this function called blacklist is?)

The new voting system records what account voted what way for what image so it can't really be abused, unless people are paying hundreds of dollars to downvote images.

Snesso said:
I have to agree with him there (Not sure if he meant the same thing, but still.)... there are plenty of idiots that are already Privileged or more, so the problem is still there.

I certainly won't deny this, but votes have become demonstrably more useful since locking them out from Members and Anonymous.

(Not talking about the -200 downvoted pictures, but other issues, see huge_breasts and futanari. Ohmygosh, I wonder what this function called blacklist is?)

Just because there's a blacklist doesn't mean that everything's okay. We don't allow a lot of material that deteriorates the quality of danbooru, and voting follows that same structure. Aside from which, voting is a personal opinion (compressed into in a +1/-1 action), so there's no way you can claim that if you don't like something, you shouldn't vote it down because you could blacklist it. That goes for everything after all.

The point is the lack of objectivity toward an image's merits as well-drawn or creative, and people that are (highly) subjective will shoot down something technically good because of their offensible tastes. However, with the priveleged-&-up-only thing (can an image still be voted on multiple times?), it makes sense that the effect is less than what it had been.

Even if there is one person left in the world and everyone else has been exterminated, the likelihood of that person being an idiot is high.

Everyone has their reason for voting up or down a picture, and reasons to downvote are just as good/bad as reasons to upvote.

T5J8F8 said:
The point is the lack of objectivity toward an image's merits as well-drawn or creative, and people that are (highly) subjective will shoot down something technically good because of their offensible tastes.

Not really sure what you're saying. In general, I consider blatant disregard for the human form to be a type of bad art, so I don't see any problem with voting down based on that.

That said, I do have tags I don't like blacklisted, so I usually only vote things down if they're technically bad.

Pelsia said: I can empathize about not having enough time between school and work for those that do authorize the images. What I'd propose is generating about 12-15 different canned documents to email people's who's appeals were denied; so they can have some idea of what went wrong, or issues with the content.

Why do people always assume that if their image isn't approved, it must be because it just wasn't seen? If it wasn't approved, that usually means it wasn't good enough. A majority of the images posted to the deletion appeal thread are not approved either. That's intentional, it's not a result of images going unnoticed.

I think he meant that the lack of time isn't about approval, but about a lack of time for giving feedback on why it was rejected. So his suggestion is more or less having prewritten responses for feedback like:
Dear [blank], post ######### was unapproved because [reason].

heh. Thinking about it, there could just be a list that janitors+ checkmark the problems that they see with the image. If the image doesn't get approved the uploader will automatically receive some generic message that lists out all the problems that were checkmarked off.

Of course a problem with that would be receiving too many messages, which would just result in people not paying attention to them, and thus negating the whole point of informing them what is wrong with the image.

No way I am giving feedback on every image I don't approve. Thats insane.

We get a metric fuckload of images. Most of them are meh, I sure ain't gonna send a letter about each one. If you want particulars about some borderline images, ask in the appeal thread. Otherwise, 85% of rejections fall under "it sucked" reason, 14% are "OH GOD WHY", 1% is "others" about which it makes sense to ask.

I understand why uploaders would want to get feedback. But it's just not remotely feasible, not unless albert starts handing out paychecks and lets us quit our day jobs. =P