The comment system has been overhauled as described in forum #179302. To recap:
Scores are now visible.
Downvoted comments are now greyed out at -4 and hidden at -8.
Downvoted comments aren't completely hidden any more. Instead the comment is marked as [hidden] and you can click the comment to unhide it.
Mods can now see who voted on the comment by clicking on the score.
The comment threshold is intentionally low for a couple reasons. One is that I expect more voting activity in the new system. It should be easier to reach the -8 threshold than it was before. The other is that I think most comments aren't so bad that they deserve to be hidden from everyone. For example, I just saw one comment downvoted to -7 because the commenter said Pepsi sucks. That's not something that needs to be hidden from everyone's sensitive eyes. A lot of downvoted comments are like this; not truly bad comments, just unpopular opinions or hot takes that go against the Danbooru hivemind.
Several of my old comments were marked as [deleted], not [hidden]. What did I do?
I'm seeing several deleted comments with neutral or even positive scores, some as recent as today and yesterday. A lot of them, yours included, were quoted by other users so you can see exactly what was said, and none of them are even remotely offensive or rule violating. I seriously doubt the original posters or mods were responsible for deleting most of them, looks like a bug somewhere.
RIGperu said:
About time you changed that "one downvote equal hidden", that was always stupid.
Well, that was something anyone with an account could change. I think the bigger issue was 99% of users not knowing they could change it, and then assuming one downvote(which they couldn't actually see) meant people were attacking them. Agree it was too low of a default, though.
Several of my old comments were marked as [deleted], not [hidden]. What did I do?
You deleted them. Deleted comments are now marked as [deleted] instead of being completely hidden. This is for a few reasons:
To discourage people from deleting and reposting comments to avoid downvotes.
To discourage people from deleting and reposting comments instead of editing them.
To reduce confusion when there are replies to deleted comments.
To make it more transparent when a comment is deleted by a moderator.
To make it more obvious that deleted comments aren't completely deleted. Before deleted comments were actually still visible in certain places, namely in the comment search page or in the API. It was misleading when a user thought their deleted comments were completely gone, but actually they were still available in certain places.
If a comment is deleted by a moderator, you can tell because it will say "Updated X days ago by <moderator>". If a comment is deleted by the user themselves, it will just say "Updated X days ago". You can also check the mod actions log to find comments deleted by moderators.
I'm seeing several deleted comments with neutral or even positive scores, some as recent as today and yesterday. A lot of them, yours included, were quoted by other users so you can see exactly what was said, and none of them are even remotely offensive or rule violating. I seriously doubt the original posters or mods were responsible for deleting most of them, looks like a bug somewhere.
In most cases it's just users changing their mind and deleting their own comments for whatever reason. Sometimes it's to avoid downvotes or because they didn't know how to edit their comments. Less commonly it's a deleted bot comment from DanbooruBot, RaisingK, or BrokenEagle98.
Is this where we discuss image scoring? Because I didn't know scores could go below zero until I saw "-1" in the scoring for post #4621825 and post #4621853.
Is this where we discuss image scoring? Because I didn't know scores could go below zero until I saw "-1" in the scoring for post #4621825 and post #4621853.
Original topic was a discussion on mass comment downvoting (causing most comments to be hidden because of a -1 score), now made mostly irrelevant because of the updated comment system. Not post downvoting.
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Anyway, those are just two posts that got downvoted. Two people dislike both, probably. They have similar themes, so if someone dislikes one, they might also dislike the other. Overall, nothing fishy going on at all.
Original topic was a discussion on mass comment downvoting (causing most comments to be hidden because of a -1 score), now made mostly irrelevant because of the updated comment system. Not post downvoting.
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Anyway, those are just two posts that got downvoted. Two people dislike both, probably. They have similar themes, so if someone dislikes one, they might also dislike the other. Overall, nothing fishy going on at all.
Oh. So, it's not like the posts themselves are bad, right? Probably just means someone's not a big fan of what happened in her episode on Rick and Morty? (I was starting to think characters from western media were no-no's in this website...)
Upvotes and downvotes are individual. People not liking something is pretty common, but most of the time you don't really see any -1 score on images, because they're upvoted more than downvoted by most people anyway. People downvoting something is pretty uncommon I guess, because they just don't look at stuff they don't like. And only Gold+ Members can up- or downvote images.
Upvotes and downvotes are individual. People not liking something is pretty common, but most of the time you don't really see any -1 score on images, because they're upvoted more than downvoted by most people anyway. People downvoting something is pretty uncommon I guess, because they just don't look at stuff they don't like. And only Gold+ Members can up- or downvote images.
The posts have -2 scores now. I'm getting nervous... (Actually, do we have a thread specifically about post downvoting?)
A negative score on an image is nothing really important, only if you care about scores. Even images with a negative score can be approved, because scores don't really say anything about the approval process. For example, we also have a lot of high scoring images that aren't approved. If you're afraid that someone is mass-downvoting your comments or images, you can still message an admin, so he can check it.
A negative score on an image is nothing really important, only if you care about scores. Even images with a negative score can be approved, because scores don't really say anything about the approval process. For example, we also have a lot of high scoring images that aren't approved. If you're afraid that someone is mass-downvoting your comments or images, you can still message an admin, so he can check it.
Hey, thanks for that. Honestly, this is the first time I'm dealing with negatively scored images, so knowing I can message an admin relaxes me a bit. I'll remember if the downvotes get worse or if the three days of pending expire. Thanks again.
@Sproq981 FYI: I downvoted both images because they’re not anime-styled and not of an anime-styled copyright either. post #4621825 looks like an American superhero comic style or something and post #4621853 has an American cartoon style. I’m not targeting you or anything; I simply came across both posts while going through the mod queue and didn’t like the art styles. Simple as that.
Can’t speak for the other user(s) who downvoted those posts, though.
Regardless of anime-styled, they didn't really appeal to me as far as cartoons go or artwork in general, so that's why I voted them down.
The former is cool-looking and humourous (well-drawn masculine caricature) but the character design isn't appealing (ugly phos/disgust-like alien colours and space suit). Maybe a detailed background or other interesting environment would have made it passable for me despite any weird character design. Like, let's say this character was dropped in an atmospheric forest or another dark and mysterious environment; that would be cool.
The latter has the same issues but is also not any of cool/cute/sexy. In terms of cuteness appeal, it seems too kid-like (which is often a bait-and-switch Rick and Morty's art style, maybe) or the character seems too old. Like mother/MILF-trying-to-be-cute awkward, maybe. But yeah, the face-not-being-cute part might just due to the western style. It doesn't have the same cute appeal as, say, MLP:FiM or The Powerpuff Girls, where they're a bit more anime-styled. I don't really see any appeal in art that's not cute/cute/sexy/funny, but my guess is that the second image is supposed to have mild sexual appeal to people who like MILFs.
Feel free to let us know what you find appealing about each piece so we can perhaps realize their value!
@Sproq981 FYI: I downvoted both images because they’re not anime-styled and not of an anime-styled copyright either. post #4621825 looks like an American superhero comic style or something and post #4621853 has an American cartoon style. I’m not targeting you or anything; I simply came across both posts while going through the mod queue and didn’t like the art styles. Simple as that.
Can’t speak for the other user(s) who downvoted those posts, though.
e? said:
Regardless of anime-styled, they didn't really appeal to me as far as cartoons go or artwork in general, so that's why I voted them down.
The former is cool-looking and humourous (well-drawn masculine caricature) but the character design isn't appealing (ugly phos/disgust-like alien colours and space suit). Maybe a detailed background or other interesting environment would have made it passable for me despite any weird character design. Like, let's say this character was dropped in an atmospheric forest or another dark and mysterious environment; that would be cool.
The latter has the same issues but is also not any of cool/cute/sexy. In terms of cuteness appeal, it seems too kid-like (which is often a bait-and-switch Rick and Morty's art style, maybe) or the character seems too old. Like mother/MILF-trying-to-be-cute awkward, maybe. But yeah, the face-not-being-cute part might just due to the western style. It doesn't have the same cute appeal as, say, MLP:FiM or The Powerpuff Girls, where they're a bit more anime-styled. I don't really see any appeal in art that's not cute/cute/sexy/funny, but my guess is that the second image is supposed to have mild sexual appeal to people who like MILFs.
Feel free to let us know what you find appealing about each piece so we can perhaps realize their value!
I mean, I thought any kind of art featuring fictional characters was fair play for this image board. And it's not like there aren't western-originated characters in this site. We have images for DC and Marvel characters after all.
As for the other point, while I thought the former was just really cool-looking, I thought the latter looked anime-esque enough for this site. Besides, isn't western animation considered "anime" over in Japan?
As for the other point, while I thought the former was just really cool-looking, I thought the latter looked anime-esque enough for this site. Besides, isn't western animation considered "anime" over in Japan?
Everyone has their own opinion about "anime". For some, these are all cartoons (animated voiced pictures). Someone Japanese (true) cartoons. Someone by other criteria. The score is given based on the personal preference of the provider. He may not like Western comics, and therefore animation in the style of such comics. The same "rwby" is very similar to anime, but fans of Japanese animation may have a negative attitude towards it.
It would be another matter if you asked about the approval of the picture itself. It already takes into account the rules for publishing pictures, established public opinion. The personal preferences of the approver fade into the background, where he may not like some detail of the drawing. Then approval (primary or appeal) occurs on the basis of several votes.
So do not take the assessment and approval as a single whole. Assessment based on personal opinions may not coincide with the opinion of the majority, but may be the same. More often than not, approved and uninteresting pictures do not receive votes.
As for the other point, while I thought the former was just really cool-looking, I thought the latter looked anime-esque enough for this site. Besides, isn't western animation considered "anime" over in Japan?
Yes, however, it's more than just an art archival/gallery site. It has to be appealing and not just moderately well-drawn, but if the latter stood out in some way for you, then you were definitely right to upload it: you should upload art that you like, and that you think some others will like too.
Japanese anime-influenced art is not a hard requirement, but it has to be exceptional for people to consider it "on topic" for this website of high-quality anime-influenced art, and it's less likely to be appealing because it's harder to find really good cartoon fanart. The characters or series themselves don't matter because you can draw any character in a Japanese anime-influenced style. Artwork of more popular characters and series might also be more likely to be approved (there's also more art of them out there), so you'll see a lot of western-style stuff approved for nostalgia or popularity reasons. Not to mention that a lot of superheroes are wearing outfits and masks that make it difficult to tell if they're drawn in an anime style, because the head/face is often a big part of it. This could be comparable to art with an older style being liked for nostalgia reasons, even if it would be considered poorly drawn by today's standards.
You already know the main differences between western and Japanese anime(-influenced) animation; you know, just by looking at one and then the other; you can easily tell that the Justice League cartoons and Johnny Test don't share the same stylistic similarities that RWBY and Naruto do (refer to official art and screencaps for these and not fanart).
I would say that the latter (post #4621853) is specifically anime-esque in the eyes only. Perhaps the hair, too, though the hair also looks like it's from western-inspired Japanese anime due to the low detail. While there are super deformed and other wacky anime art styles, there are a lot of factors that can anime art good and a lot of factors that can make anime art bad; there's low-detail-but-good anime artwork and there's high-detail-but-bad cartoon artwork, despite anime being higher detail on average than cartoons. But your posts aren't really low detail character-wise, they just don't fit the style. Here's a really quick attempt at modifying the second piece to be more anime-style. I think it's obviously better, though I didn't fix the neck, and that character design really is quite ugly; she's probably designed to be pretty compared to most humanoid aliens on that show, but the artist of this fanart at least totally nailed the mom look that isn't as apparent in the show. The lack of anime style may also have something to do with the proportions and placement of the face relative to the head size, the head size relative to the obviously cariacturist neck and the rest of the body, etc.
Edit: For an example of a decent artist whose style may be anime-style bordering on western: merunyaa (e.g. post #4126960, post #4127523—the artist is Canadian, however)
Just pointing out that if I were to defend Planetina fanart I might mention that she's supposed to be a Captain Planet parody. This adds some intrinsic value in the art, especially if the fan artist goes further to reinforce the parody. post #4621825 has the commentary making an environmentalist joke, and the artstyle is definitely a reference to the original Captain Planet (and maybe also to the Don Cheadle series of spoofs).
post #4621853, I'm not sure what the artstyle is supposed to reference, but the commentary also has an environmentalist joke (and IIRC a reference to one of the original Captain Planet PSA lines), for what it's worth. Doesn't work enough for me though.
Overall, if I were an approver, I might approve post #4621825, if only because of the artstyle reference making it hilarious. Art not too terrible anyway. Speaking of, might as well shove it into pool #4661. And I'm going to +1 it too because I find it funny now.
⮤ @Sproq981 And this is how you defend and promote your uploads. State what value it has, what merits it may have, and how one might find it interesting or appealing. Not just "I thought any kind any kind of art featuring fictional characters was fair play for this image board", "And it's not like there aren't western-originated characters in this site", "We have images for DC and Marvel characters after all" and technicalities like "isn't western animation considered "anime" over in Japan?". All of which may be true, but it doesn't really tell other people why the artwork can be appealing or what merit it has to warrant its inclusion.
Edit: To further clarify, both Captain Planet and Planetina have... really garish color schemes that might turn off people. It did for e?, after all. Yes, Planetina's is an intentional reference, but the viewer has to be aware of it for the 'nostalgia'/"funny reference" factor to kick in. For me, post #4621825 looked like a mediocre Captain Planet genderswap before I looked up the R&M character.
