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So how are we tackling this? one character gets 3 char tags? since:
Ahri
k/da ahri post #4176311
the baddest ahri post #4174161
and now the new song and new outfit Ahri_(more) ? post #4179181
Maybe we should treat K/DA as a copyright tag and then add the specific song outfit char tag so it would look like this:
League of legends
K/DA
Ahri
(insert song/outfit char name here. ie The baddest Ahri, Ahri (pop/stars), Ahri (more)...etc)
Thoughts?
BUR #3838 has been rejected.
rename the_baddest_ahri -> ahri_(all_out)
rename the_baddest_akali -> akali_(all_out)
rename the_baddest_kai'sa -> kai'sa_(all_out)
rename the_baddest_evelynn -> evelynn_(all_out)
rename k/da_evelynn -> evelynn_(k/da)
rename k/da_akali -> akali_(k/da)
rename k/da_kai'sa -> kai'sa_(k/da)
rename k/da_ahri -> ahri_(k/da)
create alias the_baddest_ahri -> ahri_(all_out)
create alias the_baddest_akali -> akali_(all_out)
create alias the_baddest_kai'sa -> kai'sa_(all_out)
create alias the_baddest_evelynn -> evelynn_(all_out)
create alias k/da_evelynn -> evelynn_(k/da)
create alias k/da_akali -> akali_(k/da)
create alias k/da_kai'sa -> kai'sa_(k/da)
create alias k/da_ahri -> ahri_(k/da)
To distinguish the different outfits per song format. To go along with the tag I will be creating for the newest song "MORE": Ahri_(more)...etc. All of them will be umbrella'd under the K/DA copyright tag.
Edit: Following the in-game skin naming scheme instead.
Updated by Dannk
Looking further into this, the way the skins are treated in game are as follows:
K/da all out ahri is the outfit for the new song. The outfit for "the baddest" is essentially a recolor and therfor part of the "ALL OUT" line.
We could rename instead the current "the baddest *" into "*_(All out)" and it would cover both "the baddest" and "MORE". Lastly rename the "k/da_*" into "*_(k/da)" for consistency in the naming scheme.
The bulk update request #3838 (forum #175366) has been rejected by @DanbooruBot.
one character gets 3 char tags
Why would that be a problem? Every League of Legends character gets a new tag for each of his/her skins, true, but unless the same character is portrayed multiple times with different skins (uncommon), you will have at most two tags for the same character per post.
Furthermore, would treating the K/DA skins different from all other skins not be very confusing?
Edit: I didn't realise "the baddest" is not a skin line (they have so many skins, lol) but my point still stands: you're unlikely to have different outfits in one image.
Another edit: went through a bunch of the recent images and removed "the baddest" or "k/da" character tags and/or added "k/da all out" character tags where I deemed it appropriate. It looks like "the baddest" is applied to very different outfits (for example, post #4096642 versus post #4201811) and like both "the baddest" and "k/da" are applied to images which are clearly "k/da all out" (for example, post #4320171 or post #4201289).
Updated by madokamisama
madokamisama said:
Why would that be a problem? Every League of Legends character gets a new tag for each of his/her skins, true, but unless the same character is portrayed multiple times with different skins (uncommon), you will have at most two tags for the same character per post.
Furthermore, would treating the K/DA skins different from all other skins not be very confusing?Edit: I didn't realise "the baddest" is not a skin line (they have so many skins, lol) but my point still stands: you're unlikely to have different outfits in one image.
Another edit: went through a bunch of the recent images and removed "the baddest" or "k/da" character tags and/or added "k/da all out" character tags where I deemed it appropriate. It looks like "the baddest" is applied to very different outfits (for example, post #4096642 versus post #4201811) and like both "the baddest" and "k/da" are applied to images which are clearly "k/da all out" (for example, post #4320171 or post #4201289).
Please do not go an manually change character tags before discussing it first. That's why this post was created in the first place.
"The baddest" and "all out" should be tagged under the same character tag. I think following the in-games naming scheme for skins would be better. They are just re-colors after all of the same outfit.
Updated by a moderator
BUR #4526 has been rejected.
create alias the_baddest_ahri -> ahri_(the_baddest)
create alias the_baddest_akali -> akali_(the_baddest)
create alias the_baddest_kai'sa -> kai'sa_(the_baddest)
create alias the_baddest_evelynn -> evelynn_(the_baddest)
create alias k/da_evelynn -> evelynn_(k/da)
create alias k/da_akali -> akali_(k/da)
create alias k/da_kai'sa -> kai'sa_(k/da)
create alias k/da_ahri -> ahri_(k/da)
Following the in-game skin naming scheme.
All posts under the K/DA skin tags will get K/DA copyright tag. Try number 2
Updated by Dannk
Please do not go an manually change character tags before discussing it first.
following the in-games naming scheme for skins would be better.
Sorry, that's what I did. Apologies if I phrased it badly.
The in-game skin names are "K/DA Character" and "K/DA ALL OUT Character" and I used those names.
Some images were tagged with the wrong skin name.
create alias k/da_ahri -> ahri_(k/da)
I don't get why you want to change "K/DA Character" to "Character (K/DA)", since that's not the in-game skin name. The in-game name is "K/DA Character". Just to be clear, I use Gamepedia and Wikia as reference. (Note that Gamepedia does not include the / (slash) in the skin name but the game itself does.) All other skin name character tags use the in-game skin name, so wouldn't it be confusing to make an exception here?
'the baddest' it's just a recolor of the main skin line "all out"
Would it be an idea to add an unnamespaced "the baddest character (recolor)" or "the baddest character (outfit)" or a similar tag, where appropriate? Perhaps in addition to a "k/da all out character" character tag? It (the baddest) is not a skin so it doesn't deserve a character tag, but it is quite different from the "k/da all out" skin, so perhaps it is still worthwhile to tag it? For reference, this is "the baddest" and this is "k/da all out", as you can see the clothes they wear are not only of different colour but also of different type. What do you think? Or would a simple "official alternate costume" tag suffice?
create alias the_baddest_ahri -> ahri_(all_out)
Again here, the in-game name is "K/DA ALL OUT Character", so I don't understand why you would prefer "Character (ALL OUT)". That would be inconsistent with other skin character tags. Or am I misunderstanding you?
madokamisama said:
Again here, the in-game name is "K/DA ALL OUT Character", so I don't understand why you would prefer "Character (ALL OUT)". That would be inconsistent with other skin character tags. Or am I misunderstanding you?
That was when you type "Ahri" on the search box, her skins would come up. Instead of having to know exactly what she is called in game. It could aliased to it but I much rather have it in that format.
I agree that there are enough "the baddest" outfit posts out there but really they are the same outfit just recolored. I think alternate color would suffice.
.Dank said:
That was when you type "Ahri" on the search box, her skins would come up. Instead of having to know exactly what she is called in game. It could aliased to it but I much rather have it in that format.
The problem is that none of Ahri's, or any LoL character's, skins are in the format of "Ahri_(skin)". If you're going to change these then you need to change all of them.
I agree that there are enough "the baddest" outfit posts out there but really they are the same outfit just recolored. I think alternate color would suffice.
I have no idea how you can look at this and this and say they're just alt colors. They're not even wearing the same clothes.
.Dank said:
That was when you type "Ahri" on the search box, her skins would come up. Instead of having to know exactly what she is called in game. It could aliased to it but I much rather have it in that format.
I understand. But it is inconsistent, since all of the other skin tags use the in-game skin name. You'd have "Midnight Ahri" and "Popstar Ahri" but then suddenly "Ahri (K/DA)" instead of the expected "K/DA Ahri". Why would that be good?
If you want people to find "k/da ahri" when they type "ahri", wouldn't it be better to request an alias for "ahri (k/da)" -> "k/da ahri"? That way there is no inconsistency in skin name tags. Or request a "k/da" copyright tag so they can search for "ahri AND k/da"?
I just don't see the advantage of using non-in-game names and breaking the consistency of using in-game names.
Edit: I did not see the post by blindVigil before submitting this post.
I'm not going to fix every single character tag. Saying that if I want to do this change I have to fix all the others as well, is ridiculous.
I'm saying that in the game "the baddest" it's just a recolor. I'm not opposed to splitting the two apart when it's a clear distinction but some gardening it's needed.
There is no consistency in character naming. See the entire site. But I am trying to make this consistent with qualifiers. I think that is a better approach overall.
My BUR is consistent with itself and with the *_(qualifier) naming scheme.
.Dank said:
I'm not going to fix every single character tag. Saying that if I want to do this change I have to fix all the others as well, is ridiculous.
I'm saying that in the game "the baddest" it's just a recolor. I'm not opposed to splitting the two apart when it's a clear distinction but some gardening it's needed.
There is no consistency in character naming. See the entire site. But I am trying to make this consistent with qualifiers. I think that is a better approach overall.
My BUR is consistent with itself and with the *_(qualifier) naming scheme.
But it's not consistent with any of the other LoL tags, which is what matters. It doesn't matter if the entire site is inconsistent, it matters if related tags are consistent. You're creating inconsistency for the sake of consistency.
I think if you're going to say that *_(qualifier) is the better way to do it, then you should be willing to make that change to more than just a handful of tags while leaving a mess for everyone else to fix.
blindVigil said:
But it's not consistent with any of the other LoL tags, which is what matters. It doesn't matter if the entire site is inconsistent, it matters if related tags are consistent. You're creating inconsistency for the sake of consistency.
I think if you're going to say that *_(qualifier) is the better way to do it, then you should be willing to make that change to more than just a handful of tags while leaving a mess for everyone else to fix.
I'm fixing K/DA first. If I make a huge BUR the likelihood of it going to waste goes up dramatically. I'm not going to put in the effort to fix all the others when I can't even get this to pass. You are more than welcome to help rather than just argue in the forums.
Replying again to your BUR.
from howto:character:
If a character has alternate identities or forms which are visually distinct, these are tagged as well. Use the official name, or if there is none, the agreed-upon fan referent.
(emphasis mine)
My interpretation would be that this means that the proper tag for depictions of the character "K/DA Ahri" is "k/da_ahri", since that is the official name. Similarly, the proper tag for depictions of the character "K/DA ALL OUT Ahri" is "k/da_all_out_ahri", since that is the official name. Changing k/da_ahri to ahri_(k/da) would not agree with what this page says.
Even if we choose to ignore that page, why would you want to use qualifiers when there are official names that work perfectly fine? I really don't understand what problem you're trying to solve.
"The Baddest Ahri" is not an in-game skin, and does not have an official name. It simply refers to Ahri as depicted in the The Baddest videos. You can debate whether it even deserves a character tag. Even so, it is clearly different from ALL OUT (just compare the ALL OUT line-up to the The Baddest line-up, the clothes are clearly different). Making an alias from The Baddest to K/DA ALL OUT would be a mistake.
Lastly, and perhaps a bit off-topic, I tagged the characters in post #4326328 as k/da_ahri, k/da_akali, k/da_all_out_evelynn and k/da_all_out_kai'sa. You reverted that to the baddest ahri, the baddest akali, the baddest evelynn and the baddest kai'sa (and probably reverted a lot of other cases). I don't understand why you did that, because it is obviously wrong. This is K/DA, this is K/DA ALL OUT and this is The Baddest. The characters in post #4326328 look nothing like the ones in The Baddest, they're clearly from K/DA and K/DA ALL OUT. Sorry to sound rude, but this isn't "fixing", I'm pretty sure it's improper tagging.
