Yay, get to witness an in-progress translation.

EDIT: E-mail sounds like a Danboorian... Could it be?

I get to see him tomorrow ::Keeps packing for AB::

FishCaxes said:
Yay, get to witness an in-progress translation.

EDIT: E-mail sounds like a Danboorian... Could it be?

The idea seemed to have sparked from members of MoTK. I'm sure they frequent Danbooru, so in a way, yes.

This is the original thread

I'm tempted to go, but not sure if I wanna spend 35 bucks just to meet one person.

Also, I wonder which flight he took. Is he in JFK now waiting to board a flight to BOS? Or is he stuck in West Coast, waiting to board one plane, and then another just to get to BOS.

Kogasa said:
But I am a hack for losing to Yoshika-san...

It's okay, Kogasa, I always time out on Miyako as well.

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Starting today, it's once again a story of a trip to the U.S. I'm drawing it during the flight over there.

I'd actually considered making it a story of a trip to Kurobe Dam, but since I've got some piping hot story material, this'll do somehow! I'm sure it'll give me plenty of material until I come back to Japan too.

But my butt's gonna be killing me after sitting for 15 hours. (^^;)

Reader-added tags include "And then it rains in the U.S.", "So that's the cause of those storms the other day!" and "You're cruel, Sanae-san".

Today's survey is:

I'd like to fly in a plane!
• YS-11
• Boing-777 [sic]
• F-14
• SR-72
• YF-19

They're forecasting sunny mild temperature days through Easter Weekend. If it starts raining at any point, we know the rain woman powers are not a exaggeration.

That reminds me, I'm sure now that I'll go see him at the next comiket (we discussed a little about this here post #1044877) although I won't cosplay as myself in this weird yellow suit xD.
Will some danboorians rally me ?

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Regarding the poll: SR-72, definitely.

Pickie said:

I'm tempted to go, but not sure if I wanna spend 35 bucks just to meet one person.

$35 to get into AB? that sounds rather reasonable...(i had to shell out ~$75 when i went to Conneticon a couple years ago.)

Since it's now comic-relevant, the quick story behind this is that I got the idea some time last year to have a Japanese Touhou guest at an American convention. After bouncing the idea off of a couple of friends, we eventually decided that Hitoshi would be the best invite due to a variety of circumstances. Six months of communication later, he touched down in Boston today at 7:38 AM Eastern.

Hitoshi did raise the question of "why not ZUN?" to us, but given ZUN's stance on the Western Touhou fanbase, we felt that he may not want to come just yet. Maybe in a couple of years, when we've had a few guests vouch for the States as a pretty rad place to be for Touhou purposes.

Oh, and because it really couldn't have happened any other way, the first thing Hitoshi and the group present at the airport for meeting him (which I was going to be a part of but WORK) did was go to the New England Aquarium to see the penguins.

I expect a strip about a jealous beating some time after he goes home.

Moonspeaker said:

Today's survey is:

I'd like to fly in a plane!
• YS-11
• Boing-777 [sic]
• F-14
• SR-72
• YF-19

Since it's a major Canadian news right now, I would have selected F-35.

Kilgamayan said:
Oh, and because it really couldn't have happened any other way, the first thing Hitoshi and the group present at the airport for meeting him (which I was going to be a part of but WORK) did was go to the New England Aquarium to see the penguins.

I expect a strip about a jealous beating some time after he goes home.

I can see Sanaewife doing that.

if it rains without reasons, had arrived to USA

Kilgamayan said:
...but given ZUN's stance on the Western Touhou fanbase...

Wait, what exactly is ZUN's stance?

Allen_Walker said:
Wait, what exactly is ZUN's stance?

He knows we exist, but he doesn't particularly care. He's decline opportunities to sell his games stateside because he believes Americans wouldn't understand most, if any, of the historical and cultural references. Which is probably very true, to be honest. (I was only vaguely familiar with Prince Shoutoku prior to XD and I only knew the Tale of the Bamboo Cutter from Pita-Ten.)

\Atai/ said:
$35 to get into AB? that sounds rather reasonable...(i had to shell out ~$75 when i went to Conneticon a couple years ago.)

$35 is for the day pass. It's $55 for the whole weekend.

35 bucks isn't some crazy amount, but I would have to take into account I wouldn't be able to attend until about 6pm because of work. Then I have to wake up early next morning, so I would have to leave the con rather early. So 35 bucks seems rather steep attending for a few hours.

he believes Americans wouldn't understand most, if any, of the historical and cultural references. Which is probably very true, to be honest.

So? They're games, first and foremost. You don't need to "get" the references to enjoy playing them.

There's always the Touhou wiki for those that want to learn more, and from there it's a quick jump to Wikipedia for something a bit more in-depth about the references. I'm probably in the minority, but I've spent countless hours doing just that...it's like visiting TVTropes, but more educational instead of being a simple time sink.

I'm going to Anime Boston tomorrow.

I wanna see Kogasa. Is he really coming? Is there more info on this?

What exactly IS Zun's stance on Western Touhou fandom? I always just figured he didn't really care one way or the other.

Ipswich67 said:
What exactly IS Zun's stance on Western Touhou fandom? I always just figured he didn't really care one way or the other.

Scroll up a little; Kilgamayan explained it already. Barrakketh does bring up a nice point, however.

Kilgamayan said:
He knows we exist, but he doesn't particularly care. He's decline opportunities to sell his games stateside because he believes Americans wouldn't understand most, if any, of the historical and cultural references. Which is probably very true, to be honest. (I was only vaguely familiar with Prince Shoutoku prior to XD and I only knew the Tale of the Bamboo Cutter from Pita-Ten.)

Considering the vast support places like ours has for Touhou and the growing popularity - last con I was at was AWA last year I saw several Touhou cosplayers just in my wandering around - I'd say that he's not wrong but he's kind of not right either.

Kilgamayan said:
He knows we exist, but he doesn't particularly care. He's decline opportunities to sell his games stateside because he believes Americans wouldn't understand most, if any, of the historical and cultural references. Which is probably very true, to be honest. (I was only vaguely familiar with Prince Shoutoku prior to XD and I only knew the Tale of the Bamboo Cutter from Pita-Ten.)

Is there a source for this information? I've always heard that it comes from an interview with him, but I've never seen it narrowed down any further than that.

I'm going to be at anime Boston on sat. Hope to see him there. As well as meet some other Touhou fans. I don't have many friends into anime or manga at all really. This is also my first time going to a con!

glasnost said:
Is there a source for this information? I've always heard that it comes from an interview with him, but I've never seen it narrowed down any further than that.

It doesn't mention his opinion on the western fandom but it's something anyway.

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2308033

20th post on the second page. Don't know how legit it is [I'm pretty unfamiliar with Steam in general] but I dunno why someone would lie about it.

The comic just became meta, so very meta.

Pretty sure it has little to do with Japanese references and more with concern about American copyright law and what it would mean for doujinshi in Japan.

Edit: Yeah, that forum thread that was pointed out is where I remember reading about his concerns.

I recommend the SR-71. It's fast as hell, so a five to six hours trip is shortened to three hours.

HelepolisH said:
OT:

Just do what you think is most safe and fun to do.

I will be meeting Warugaki at Reitaisai, I've had some crazy suggestions as well but I am not quite sure whether I should follow those :V

Byargh, Warugaki is probably the one artist I'd love to meet in person! I've been considering trying to get to Reitaisai next year to try and meet him, but it's got me a bit nervous that it'd be difficult to do...

UnderneathTheWaves said:
Pretty sure it has little to do with Japanese references and more with concern about American copyright law and what it would mean for doujinshi in Japan.

As I understand it, fanworks are illegal under Japanese law as well but are usually not prosecuted.

Zun could license Touhou under the CC which would make fan derivatives explicitly legal in both Japan and the US (and most everywhere else for that matter).

Way I understand it, in American law, letting a copyright infringement go unchallenged weakens your stance for challenging subsequent infringements. The reason the doujin market can flourish in Japan is the lack of such a rule there. Also, partly because of this, they recognized the marketing value of fan-created content.

zebcar said:
As I understand it, fanworks are illegal under Japanese law as well but are usually not prosecuted.

Zun could license Touhou under the CC which would make fan derivatives explicitly legal in both Japan and the US (and most everywhere else for that matter).

As far as I know, both Comiket and TreFes/Wonfes have applications you need to send before being accepted and selling your work. This application serves as a permit for selling copyrighted stuff, too. Companys have the right to deny you selling a certain doujin/kit in an event (I've only seen this happen once with a K-On kit though).
I have no idea how Reitaisai works, though.

My understanding of fanworks for Japan is that there is a clause that allows for the doujin market to make no or a small bit of profit off of derivative works like parody and the like.

There are some that cross the line, I think the reason that was stated is because these things have a positive effect on the economy in general, so the larger business won't touch em.

The US doesn't have either protection. I wouldn't be shocked if most companies in general wouldn't allow a doujin-style work to go through since companies view it more as someone freeloading of their work.

Blossop said:
Way I understand it, in American law, letting a copyright infringement go unchallenged weakens your stance for challenging subsequent infringements. The reason the doujin market can flourish in Japan is the lack of such a rule there. Also, partly because of this, they recognized the marketing value of fan-created content.

You're probably thinking of trademark. US copyright law has no duty to prosecute (although the doctrine of laches might reduce the damages you can recover as a copyright plaintiff, in certain cases.)

Under both US and Japanese law, the copyright holder has the exclusive right to prepare derivative works, including doujins. This is a requirement of all WTO nations under the Berne Convention, incorporated into the TRIPS agreement. The reason doujin work isn't prosecuted in Japan has more to do with a lack of IP prosecutors.

Back on topic, Mizuki Hitoshi stopped by my art stream in the hotel. While we were drawing a bondage model. He was very amused.

MaullarMaullar said:
Back on topic, Mizuki Hitoshi stopped by my art stream in the hotel. While we were drawing a bondage model. He was very amused.

I will laugh so hard if that winds up in the comic tomorrow. (Well, today, technically, but whatever.)

*Lots of law and legal stuff*

Danbooru, you never fail to enlighten me. You learn something new everyday.

Anyway, wow. I am so envious of you all. Very looking forward to Mizuki Hitoshi's strips about this event.

Kilgamayan said:
Since it's now comic-relevant, the quick story behind this is that I got the idea some time last year to have a Japanese Touhou guest at an American convention. After bouncing the idea off of a couple of friends, we eventually decided that Hitoshi would be the best invite due to a variety of circumstances.

Shit man, you should have announced this earlier. I would've spent good money to head to Anime Boston.

ZUN does not care for the west and wants little to do with it. This has been widely known for years.

Unlike what some say he's neutral (doesn't stop ignorant jackasses from crying "ZUN hates westerners). But his view is understandable as just how many touhou fans care about the references or even teh games themselves that matter? I'm certain it'd be outweighed by those who are into Touhou solely for the yuri material.

MaullarMaullar said:
Back on topic, Mizuki Hitoshi stopped by my art stream in the hotel. While we were drawing a bondage model. He was very amused.

What's this about a bondage model?

I accidently down voted sombody's comment and I can't find it anymore. sorry to poilu.

user_373439 said:

Yay, get to witness an in-progress translation.

EDIT: E-mail sounds like a Danboorian... Could it be?

And worst of all, he could be anyone of us, he could be in this very post! He could be you, he could be me, he could even be-