I'm hoping Nitori is doing something right now. Odd that Remilia is attack Marisa when she was implying she was going to do something to Patchouli last strip.
SpecterVonBaren said: I'm hoping Nitori is doing something right now. Odd that Remilia is attack Marisa when she was implying she was going to do something to Patchouli last strip.
Well, Patchy wouldn't be able to take much though, so maybe that's why.
Though I'm still rooting for Marisa/Nitori. If Remi was with someone else it'd be different, but seeing Reimu win at things is gettin' boring.
Andulusi said: Worn-out but still powerful Reimu and Remi versus full-power Marisa and near-full-power Nitori, and no more interference from the Asspull Club? That doesn't sound like a curbstomp to me. That sounds like "finally, we can see a real match."
Yep, this sure looks like it's going to be a real match to me! Not one-sided at all, no sir!
SpecterVonBaren said: I'm hoping Nitori is doing something right now. Odd that Remilia is attack Marisa when she was implying she was going to do something to Patchouli last strip.
While Remilia is busy being an uppity Windows boss, Nitori is pinning Reimu.
I'm not sure what makes me so special that it's some great travesty if my vague guesses at where the story is going aren't immediately proven true beyond a shadow of a doubt.
SpecterVonBaren said: Odd that Remilia is attack Marisa when she was implying she was going to do something to Patchouli last strip.
I figure her dialog was meant as an after-the-fact explanation of what she'd already done (i.e. magician bowling). Patchy appears to be down for the proverbial count, considering how much she hasn't moved since last page.
Pyrolight_200% said: Two panels of a pissed vampire does not make it one sided.
The far weaker team ass-pulling for 20+ pages did.
But they had to use incredibly elaborate strategies such as "throw traditional vampire weaknesses at the vampire!" That makes it incredibly fascinating!
angrybull said: While Remilia is busy being an uppity Windows boss, Nitori is pinning Reimu.
But that would require Reimu to still exist when she's off-panel.
I'm really hoping Marisa and Nitori win this. They've barely done anything throughout the comic, but this one fight has put them far above Remilia and Reimu.
Zaku_Zelo said: I'm really hoping Marisa and Nitori win this. They've barely done anything throughout the comic, but this one fight has put them far above Remilia and Reimu.
Not really, it would be like saying Kaguya/Moko were really above Higan Judgement.
If Marisa and Nitori winning means another fight where they use tricks and such to win while the other team barely resists or fights back, then no thanks.
If Marisa and Nitori winning means a future fight that's actually interesting and shows both teams trying then I'm all for it.
Tricks are still okay as long as the other team is shown doing something. A fight shouldn't read like a bulleted list of strategies from one team more than an actual fight.
On the other hand, it would be momentarily interesting to see what weaknesses they pull against other teams. The charm probably wouldn't last throughout the fight though.
Zaku_Zelo said: ...you wanna run that by me again?
Not only have Marisa and Nitori been cheating, it has also all be very asspullish. I am not seeing how in any way shape or form they are somehow above Remilia and Reimu.
Pyrolight_200% said: Not only have Marisa and Nitori been cheating, it has also all be very asspullish. I am not seeing how in any way shape or form they are somehow above Remilia and Reimu.
How has it been an asspull though? It's not like this is a Naruto fight or anything. Their strategy for Reimu was use how she's a human against her, they showed us their entire hand of dealing with Remilia right from the start, and the two times they foresaw Remilia attempting to help her partner were logical deductions. It's cheating, but it's not an asspull.
It's been said for this entire match that Reimu and Remilia are the superior team, that hasn't been questioned here by the comic nor the readers as far as I've seen. Winning by cheating does not make you superior.
This seems to be a turning point in the dynamic of the match, it could very easily turn into a give and take fight from here on out, I know there's the risk of this becoming a repeat Higan Judgment V.S. Eternal Rivals but I also think that there's more of a chance of it going a different way.
As stated in a previous comic, the only truly "fair fight" has been between Tenshi/Okuu and Byakuren/Shou. Theirs was the only fight not to have cheating.
Pyrolight_200% said: Not only have Marisa and Nitori been cheating, it has also all be very asspullish. I am not seeing how in any way shape or form they are somehow above Remilia and Reimu.
Oh. They're far more entertaining. Remilia and Reimu are just...there. "We're strong and main characters, grrr grrr." Yawn, boring. I'd root for them if they'd done more interesting stuff throughout the comic...but they haven't. Marisa and Nitori haven't either, but now they've pulled all this crazy stuff on Red 200% and I've loved every second of it. Lay em flat, underdogs.
SpecterVonBaren said: How has it been an asspull though? It's not like this is a Naruto fight or anything. Their strategy for Reimu was use how she's a human against her, they showed us their entire hand of dealing with Remilia right from the start, and the two times they foresaw Remilia attempting to help her partner were logical deductions. It's cheating, but it's not an asspull.
The fact that they had a plan that could seemingly take into account so many factors is a bit much. They have been able to dictate the fight a little to easily.
I guess the real problem is that in each rescue Kirisame Familiar was able to instantly recover and counterattack in such a way that red 75% could not react to it.
Getting slammed to the ground but hopping right back up and further connecting with a blatant headbutt which somehow "had enough force to hurt a vampire" but not crush the head nor did Reimu seeming use a barrier.
Nitori somehow sneaking up on Reimu.
The fact that somehow Remilia lost all momentum (and volume of water from the hydraulics) allowing Nitori to attack her. Again somehow not hurting Nitori in the process (even if she was water charged)
The fact that Remilia seeming only used her speed just recently and not before.
Lastly how the items that were actually removed from ringside were brought back (considering they were removed after the agreement was made).
Maybe not a ton of asspulling by Marisa Familiar but Zerii sure has fudged a lot in order to allow Marisa and Nitori the ability to stand in there.
Lastly the whole extremely convenient powering up ability that Patchy and Alice can use on Nitori and Marisa is way too convenient since it seems a catchall for two very different issues.
ie Requiring Water to give strength and temporarily fixing the failing harrako somehow.
I guess seeing two fights in a row where the "rules of the universe" are being bent to breaking to allow one team to succeed where they should not be is a bit much.
Zaku_Zelo said: Oh. They're far more entertaining. Remilia and Reimu are just...there. "We're strong and main characters, grrr grrr."
Well in that case yes I can agree with that (depending on whether we get to see the psychotic vampire we never saw in the Scarlet 200% match
It would actually be pretty interesting if Reimu of all people stepped in to rescue Marisa from this throw. After all, why is Remilia pissed off? She's the one that accepted their Batman Gambit and arsenal into the ring. Her pride was hurt? Well, what about learning how to control it, Remilia? Like, seriously.
I really don't mind who wins and who loses as long as it's interesting and entertaining. The biggest problem with this match was its excecution -- and I'm not saying it's a bad match. All I'm saying is that it could have been handled slightly better, maybe show Red 75% doing things instead of... Not doing things.
I know that all things considered, cheating is a standard on this series. But if a third party interferes on this match now, then I'm going to frown so hard I'll have to mentioning "frowning" with a ton of R's, like a purr. FRRROWN~!
...Oh, and what was the point of the whole Hakkero-install on Marisa again? I mean, she hardly used melee at all in this match. Should thatn whole sequence be a huge Big Lipped Alligator Moment, then?
Pyrolight_200% said: The fact that they had a plan that could seemingly take into account so many factors is a bit much. They have been able to dictate the fight a little to easily.
I guess the real problem is that in each rescue Kirisame Familiar was able to instantly recover and counterattack in such a way that red 75% could not react to it.
In the case of Remilia it was underestimating her opponents and simply the surprise of an enemy being so prepared for you, in the case of Reimu, she was being carried by Remilia in one case and completely shooken up in the other.
Pyrolight_200% said: Getting slammed to the ground but hopping right back up and further connecting with a blatant headbutt which somehow "had enough force to hurt a vampire" but not crush the head nor did Reimu seeming use a barrier.
Nitori somehow sneaking up on Reimu.
How is that hard to imagine? Reimu doesn't have super senses.
Pyrolight_200% said: The fact that somehow Remilia lost all momentum (and volume of water from the hydraulics) allowing Nitori to attack her. Again somehow not hurting Nitori in the process (even if she was water charged)
I believe what was going on is that she either stopped or turned around to try and catch Reimu. And what makes you think her headbutt didn't hurt?
Pyrolight_200% said: The fact that Remilia seeming only used her speed just recently and not before.
That's because she only just now decided to get serious.
Pyrolight_200% said:Lastly how the items that were actually removed from ringside were brought back (considering they were removed after the agreement was made).
It was said that the reason the items were moved was so they weren't in the way at ringside.
Pyrolight_200% said: Maybe not a ton of asspulling by Marisa Familiar but Zerii sure has fudged a lot in order to allow Marisa and Nitori the ability to stand in there.
The only thing that's allowed Kirisame Familiar to stand here is their tactics and cheating. Trust me when I say that I hate bullshit pulled out of nowhere, I READ the Naruto manga, I know all about that crap.
Pyrolight_200% said: Lastly the whole extremely convenient powering up ability that Patchy and Alice can use on Nitori and Marisa is way too convenient since it seems a catchall for two very different issues.
ie Requiring Water to give strength and temporarily fixing the failing harrako somehow.
Goldva said: It would actually be pretty interesting if Reimu of all people stepped in to rescue Marisa from this throw. After all, why is Remilia pissed off? She's the one that accepted their Batman Gambit and arsenal into the ring. Her pride was hurt? Well, what about learning how to control it, Remilia? Like, seriously.
I don't get the sense that she's pissed off so much as she finally respects Kirisame Familia. She basically said at the beginning of the match that the team stood no chance and when she fought Nitori she decided to just tank Nitori's melee and let her tire herself out.
Going by what Remilia said last strip about having to take out Patchy or else it'd be impossible to win and the way she talks to Marisa in this strip, I'd say that she finally respects them enough to hit them. She does compliment both Patchy and Marisa in this and the previous comic. I guess she doesn't think much of Alice or Nitori still.
Goldva said: ...Oh, and what was the point of the whole Hakkero-install on Marisa again? I mean, she hardly used melee at all in this match. Should thatn whole sequence be a huge Big Lipped Alligator Moment, then?
the meleeing, even when applied with technique, didn't work on Reimu due to lolhaxbarriering, which Reimu could probably spam for longer than magic users could. Even Remilia could just sit there and let the magicians tire out.
Maybe all that damage to Red 75% was to show that plain damage wouldn't work and to show Red 75% holding back for different reasons (Remi even took too long to start helping Reimu, and she wanted to tire Nitori out too, either due to pride, or due to her tactical preference). If Kirisame familiar is to win, they must be prepared for Remilia 120% (not sure about Reimu, but it seems that if Kirisame familiar takes too long to win, she will recover and start haxing).
Finally, to all those complaining of cheating, I don't see how they're cheating at all. They're not breaking any rules so far, they're literally Playing To Win, and increasing their winning chances as much as they can. For this, I want Kirisame familiar to win. This match acknowledges no subjective sense of honor and morals, it only acknowledges winners and losers.. and Remilia is playing like a scrub :3
Pyrolight_200% said: Two panels of a pissed vampire does not make it one sided.
The far weaker team ass-pulling for 20+ pages did.
I guess I have to spell it out for you, then.
I should probably begin by pointing something out to everyone using the "asspull" card against Marisa/Nitori, because it's starting to make me wonder who has been reading from the beginning and who has been following for only about the last 100 strips. There is *established precedent in this very series* that Patchouli is a counter-operations genius. Go read through Sakuya/Suika vs. Rin/Yuugi again and watch the secondary action. In fact, read from the beginning of the fight, keeping in mind that, from that beginning, Patchouli's plan was to pull Yuugi's attention away from the ring so Sakuya could takee Rin 1 on 1, and she got around an armada of Chireiden secondaries that included a goddamn mind reader to do it. Now take that planning skill, and add in her personal knowledge of the ins and outs of Remilia from being her friend for so long, Nitori's mechanical genius, and a small group of intelligent-in-their-own-right hags that specifically banded together as an Anti-Reimu alliance. Yeah. If anyone came into this match thinking Marisa/Nitori wouldn't be ready for just about everything they deserve to be pissed off at that actually happening, because it was telegraphed like crazy.
Now then, on to what's actually happening here. We have had 20- or 30-odd pages of one-sidedness, one-sidedness that I've excused on both the grounds that it's been very clever and on the grounds of the speech Marisa made about the weak not laying down for the strong some 10-odd strips ago. Remilia has been hammered with everything including the kitchen iron maiden. How many vampiric weaknesses have solidly connected with her? Tanning lotion more than once, running water more than once, garlic at least once. Not to mention all the regular physical abuse she's taken.
And what, pray tell, happened in the strip before this one, after all the shit she's been through?
She took to the outside of the ring, flew around so fast that only Aya's speedy tengu eyes and senses could keep proper track of her, and *blew the entire Kirisame team the fuck up* in one fell swoop.
Let that sink in. All the abuse over the past 30-odd strips has meant ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. She has shrugged off every little bit of it. She has been slammed with biological weaknesses six ways from Sunday and is still strong enough to take out all of her opponents in a single shot. Not to mention grabbing one of them and flinging them clear across the arena with one hand in this strip. This really cannot be emphasized enough. Remilia, physically, is light years ahead of all four of her opponents combined, and physical ability is the overwhelming factor in wrestling matches between magical girls who have had their magic mostly shut off by the environment.
Now take what has happened in the previous strip and in this strip. Consider that it happened after 30-odd strips of abuse. And I'm going to point out that people wanted this to be a fair fight, with no cheating, from the very beginning. Consider very hard what that would have entailed. Again. Remilia took 30-odd strips of abuse and is more or less unscathed. I will keep repeating this because, like I said, it cannot be emphasized enough. Imagine how Remilia would have handled opponents like this, opponents that she can easily clobber after having gone through 30-odd strips of abuse, if she HADN'T gone through 30-odd strips of abuse?
Do you get it yet? There was NEVER any sort of chance that this was going to be a fair fight. A match with no cheating would have been over in less than thirty seconds. The physicality and ability gap between these two teams makes the Grand Canyon look like a crack in the sidewalk. And, if the anti-Marisa/Nitori comments I have seen mean anything, people ACTUALLY WANTED THAT. A thirty-second match, completely one-sided, never in any doubt because the talent gap was too big to even see across. People actually wanted such a thing over a match that could actually go either way because the Kirisame team used their brains and actually gave a shit about the spirit of competition instead of just rolling over and dying, which is what would have happened if the "no cheating" people got their way.
So tell me, straight-up: would you have really preferred a "fair" (rofl) fight that would have lasted all of 10 strips with the boring and predictable Red 75% victory? Or will you now sit down and enjoy what we've been given, which is an actually entertaining match even with how one-sided it's been, where we *still* don't actually know for sure who will win even given how bleak things look for Marisa's camp?
Also in retrospect I probably should have put "cheating" in quotes every time I mentioned it because neither the ref nor the tournament organizers have admonished the Kirisame team for their tactics. Not really cheating if it's being allowed.
Kilgamayan said: I guess I have to spell it out for you, then.
I should probably begin by pointing something out to everyone using the "asspull" card against Marisa/Nitori, because it's starting to make me wonder who has been reading from the beginning and who has been following for only about the last 100 strips. There is *established precedent in this very series* that Patchouli is a counter-operations genius. Go read through Sakuya/Suika vs. Rin/Yuugi again and watch the secondary action. In fact, read from the beginning of the fight, keeping in mind that, from that beginning, Patchouli's plan was to pull Yuugi's attention away from the ring so Sakuya could takee Rin 1 on 1, and she got around an armada of Chireiden secondaries that included a goddamn mind reader to do it.
Wait, wasn't the whole point of the Rin/Yuugi vs Sakuya/Suika match that Patchy got out-gambited by the undergrounders? Despite all of her plans, Yuugi/Rin got the result they wanted which was a draw so that they could drop out to let Utsuho/Tenshi join the tournament.
This whole 'weak vs the strong'... Is it really applicable?
Didn't Rinnosuke mention them being fairly evenly matched in Lotus Asia? And Nitori was a stage three boss, if I remember correctly; that's hardly on par with Team Nineball there.
Cleric21 said: This whole 'weak vs the strong'... Is it really applicable?
Didn't Rinnosuke mention them being fairly evenly matched in Lotus Asia? And Nitori was a stage three boss, if I remember correctly; that's hardly on par with Team Nineball there.
Big difference between danmaku and a wrestling match. Kirisame Familia is made up of folks who are magically quite potent, but (with the exception of Nitori) relatively physically weak. Remi, on the other hand...
Immaterial and Missing Power manual said: Faster than the eye can follow, strong enough to crush boulders, powerful enough to manipulate demons, she's so strong it's almost not fair...
As for Reimu, she's naturally blessed by the powers of the Hakurei bloodline, which render her relatively untouchable.
randomness said: Wait, wasn't the whole point of the Rin/Yuugi vs Sakuya/Suika match that Patchy got out-gambited by the undergrounders? Despite all of her plans, Yuugi/Rin got the result they wanted which was a draw so that they could drop out to let Utsuho/Tenshi join the tournament.
Patchy put Sakuya in a good position to win, which is really the best she could do as a not-even-a-secondary. That Sakuya was unable to capitalize wasn't really Patchy's fault, nor was the emotional riot.
And Sakuya's still in the tournament, even if they didn't technically win that match, so in that regard it was something of a success.
Kilgamayan said: Patchy put Sakuya in a good position to win, which is really the best she could do as a not-even-a-secondary. That Sakuya was unable to capitalize wasn't really Patchy's fault, nor was the emotional riot.
And Sakuya's still in the tournament, even if they didn't technically win that match, so in that regard it was something of a success.
But if Yuugi/Rin were aiming for a draw, then we don't know if the plans Patchy made were even decent or if Yuugi and Rin fell for them on purpose so they could have a convincing draw. They weren't sure until after the match how the organizers would handle a tie so they had to make it convincing. But when participants start throwing matches and organizers scheme to have certain teams beaten and the referees look the other way and fudge the count and half the teams have an act that they're putting on and people are dressing up as one another, we don't know anything about anything anymore! It's all a lie! A farce! My god, the whole tournament is a sham!
I don't think Nitori's doing anything other than recovering from Remi's blow as she was sent flying. And last time I checked, Kappa weren't known for landing on their feet.
The problem with the cheating is that it seems to do nothing but delay the obvious conclusion and gives the impression they don't have much of a foot to stand on even against a weak team without such stunts.
randomness said: I don't get the sense that she's pissed off so much as she finally respects Kirisame Familia. She basically said at the beginning of the match that the team stood no chance and when she fought Nitori she decided to just tank Nitori's melee and let her tire herself out.
Going by what Remilia said last strip about having to take out Patchy or else it'd be impossible to win and the way she talks to Marisa in this strip, I'd say that she finally respects them enough to hit them. She does compliment both Patchy and Marisa in this and the previous comic. I guess she doesn't think much of Alice or Nitori still.
She seems to have calmed down from last strip as she was looking MAD.
randomness said: Wait, wasn't the whole point of the Rin/Yuugi vs Sakuya/Suika match that Patchy got out-gambited by the undergrounders? Despite all of her plans, Yuugi/Rin got the result they wanted which was a draw so that they could drop out to let Utsuho/Tenshi join the tournament.
Yeah Yuugi and Rin weren't fighting so much to win, but to get Okuu her chance to shine and to basically get back at the organizers for their underhanded stunts thus far. Suika was surprised by how serious Yuugi was about things. Suika and Sakuya are most likely stuck with this question: "Had it gone on, would we have won?"
Yuugi was pretty annoyed that they didn't actually win, though. The goal was to not lose, but she did prefer a victory.
But I think this is getting distracted away from the main point about Patchouli's ability as a counter-operations strategist. Regardless of the planned Chireiden outcome, just following Satori's thoughts throughout the first half of the match or so should be enough to show that Patchouli's "plans" were a major nuisance to their cause.
Pyrolight_200% said: Nitori somehow sneaking up on Reimu.
SpecterVonBaren said: How is that hard to imagine? Reimu doesn't have super senses.
The problem is timing. Starting from having been in the ring with Reimu looking right at her (i.e. she can't go straight towards her, she'd have to take an indirect path), Nitori apparently sneaks up on Reimu within the time interval it takes for Reimu to react to Marisa beating up Remilia with an iron maiden. Either that sequence took a short amount of time, and Nitori moved bizarrely quickly for someone who's supposed to be "sneaking," or it took a longer amount of time, and Reimu just inexplicably didn't do or react to anything at all during that time.
SpecterVonBaren said: How is that hard to imagine? Reimu doesn't have super senses.
Since I don't think Kappa have super speed she would be hard to miss.
I believe what was going on is that she either stopped or turned around to try and catch Reimu. And what makes you think her headbutt didn't hurt?
Which would be a problem since no one can fly in the first.
As for the headbutt it didn't seem to "grabs head" hurt her.
That's because she only just now decided to get serious.
Seems a bit convenient.
It was said that the reason the items were moved was so they weren't in the way at ringside.
It seem I missed that, my bad.
The only thing that's allowed Kirisame Familiar to stand here is their tactics and cheating. Trust me when I say that I hate bullshit pulled out of nowhere, I READ the Naruto manga, I know all about that crap.
Kilgamayan said: I guess I have to spell it out for you, then.
Please do, this should be amusing.
I should probably begin by pointing something out to everyone using the "asspull" card against Marisa/Nitori, because it's starting to make me wonder who has been reading from the beginning and who has been following for only about the last 100 strips. There is *established precedent in this very series* that Patchouli is a counter-operations genius.
Which it itself is ridiculous.
Go read through Sakuya/Suika vs. Rin/Yuugi again and watch the secondary action. In fact, read from the beginning of the fight, keeping in mind that, from that beginning, Patchouli's plan was to pull Yuugi's attention away from the ring so Sakuya could takee Rin 1 on 1,and she got around an armada of Chireiden secondaries that included a goddamn mind reader to do it.
It was ONLY because Yuugi and Rin wanted a clean fight that her plan worked.
Now take that planning skill, and add in her personal knowledge of the ins and outs of Remilia from being her friend for so long, Nitori's mechanical genius, and a small group of intelligent-in-their-own-right hags that specifically banded together as an Anti-Reimu alliance. Yeah. If anyone came into this match thinking Marisa/Nitori wouldn't be ready for just about everything they deserve to be pissed off at that actually happening, because it was telegraphed like crazy.
Ignoring Patchy being a tactical genius which was played out to a lame degree in the sakuya fight as I said, the fact Kirisame Familiar seemly took little damage from hits or counterattacks and the laws of the ring have been broken (floating inside the ring) it is coming across as insane.
One smack from Remilia to Marisa would have been it and Nitori would fare little better.
Now then, on to what's actually happening here. We have had 20- or 30-odd pages of one-sidedness, one-sidedness that I've excused on both the grounds that it's been very clever and on the grounds of the speech Marisa made about the weak not laying down for the strong some 10-odd strips ago.
- Far too clever - Goes against ring "laws" with regards to strength and powers. Ie floating and damage taken/received. - To set up for a speech does not change the fact it has been ridiculous.
Remilia has been hammered with everything including the kitchen iron maiden. How many vampiric weaknesses have solidly connected with her?
None to one.
Tanning lotion more than once, running water more than once, garlic at least once. Not to mention all the regular physical abuse she's taken.
- Tanning lotion does not work that way. - The running water as used in the match is very outside the spirit of what was intended. - Garlic actually does not hurt Vampires. They just dislike it. - Vampires are highly regenerative. Physical attacks are useless against them.
The fact of the matter is, the ONLY thing that could even be considered a weapon so far was the "running water".
The rest has more or less just been modified to suit the match.
And what, pray tell, happened in the strip before this one, after all the shit she's been through?
See above.
She took to the outside of the ring, flew around so fast that only Aya's speedy tengu eyes and senses could keep proper track of her, and *blew the entire Kirisame team the fuck up* in one fell swoop.
Flandre says hi.
Let that sink in. All the abuse over the past 30-odd strips has meant ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
Let this sink in, she is a vampire. Super human, not normal, very hard to kill or injure, regenerate very quickly.
Kirisame Familiar, humans and physically weak Yokai.
BTW I guess it is fine that Patchy and Alice could keep powering Marisa and Nitori up right?
She has shrugged off every little bit of it.
Really I am pretty sure she said she is tired.
She has been slammed with biological weaknesses six ways from Sunday and is still strong enough to take out all of her opponents in a single shot.
As I said only one of those is a real weakness AND see above. None of Familiar are physically strong in their own right. Also you notice they were all tired and had their back turned.
Not to mention grabbing one of them and flinging them clear across the arena with one hand in this strip.
Vampires are only behind Oni in physical strength. How is what Remilia did even a surprise?
This really cannot be emphasized enough. Remilia, physically, is light years ahead of all four of her opponents combined, and physical ability is the overwhelming factor in wrestling matches between magical girls who have had their magic mostly shut off by the environment.
Yes I agree.
Now take what has happened in the previous strip and in this strip. Consider that it happened after 30-odd strips of abuse. And I'm going to point out that people wanted this to be a fair fight, with no cheating, from the very beginning.
Yes
Consider very hard what that would have entailed. Again. Remilia took 30-odd strips of abuse and is more or less unscathed.
Clearly she is not and has said it herself.
I will keep repeating this because, like I said, it cannot be emphasized enough.
You are wrong every time you say it.
Imagine how Remilia would have handled opponents like this, opponents that she can easily clobber after having gone through 30-odd strips of abuse, if she HADN'T gone through 30-odd strips of abuse?
The match should never have happened. I think I said that before. Like Sakuya somehow managing to survive Rin's choke hold allowing the far weaker opponent to somehow magic up a way to survive is just cheese.
Do you get it yet? There was NEVER any sort of chance that this was going to be a fair fight. A match with no cheating would have been over in less than thirty seconds.
Boo-hoo?
So tell me, straight-up: would you have really preferred a "fair" (rofl) fight that would have lasted all of 10 strips with the boring and predictable Red 75% victory?
Yup. Better then Zerii making new rules for each fight.
Or will you now sit down and enjoy what we've been given, which is an actually entertaining match even with how one-sided it's been, where we *still* don't actually know for sure who will win even given how bleak things look for Marisa's camp?
Lol are you honestly lecturing me because I disagree with your point of view?
I sense you consider yourself somehow an expert on the series which honestly baffles me a bit.
Anyway let me be blunt. The sheer amount of "wizard did it", asspulls and rules changes that have been going on lately has made most fights annoying to read.
Had Zerii limited it to a powered up Marisa and Nitori who simply were working on a timer it would have been fine.
What we have here is just... well bad. Not Rin vs Sakuya or rod of remorse bad, but still bad.
Pyrolight_200% said: Since I don't think Kappa have super speed she would be hard to miss.
Well... If Reimu was distracted with what was going on with Remilia then it would make sense. (Looks back at the earlier strips) Okay so... In 738 I see Nitori running to the side of the ring as Remilia catches the iron maiden then we see in 739 Reimu distracted by Remilia getting hit so that could explain it but then again Nitori ran out of the ring to the same side Reimu had the best view of... Hhm...
Pyrolight_200% said:Which would be a problem since no one can fly in the first.
Okuu could because she has wings, Remilia's just doing the same thing in this case.
Pyrolight_200% said:As for the headbutt it didn't seem to "grabs head" hurt her.
True.
Pyrolight_200% said:Seems a bit convenient.
*shrugs* Well... I don't really have anything for that.
Pyrolight_200% said:It seem I missed that, my bad.
No problem. I think it might have been clarified by a translation fix so it could very well be no fault on your own.
SpecterVonBaren said: Well... If Reimu was distracted with what was going on with Remilia then it would make sense. (Looks back at the earlier strips) Okay so... In 738 I see Nitori running to the side of the ring as Remilia catches the iron maiden then we see in 739 Reimu distracted by Remilia getting hit so that could explain it but then again Nitori ran out of the ring to the same side Reimu had the best view of... Hhm...
Ya we can let that one slide.
Okuu could because she has wings, Remilia's just doing the same thing in this case.
In the touhou universe I don't think Remilia actually uses her wings to fly. Flandre can fly as well so one could assume they fly though magic and the wings are more for show.
No problem. I think it might have been clarified by a translation fix so it could very well be no fault on your own.
Nice to have it cleared up. I was wondering why no one else mentioned it before, now I know why heh.
The arena is frozen...Do the weak truly exist only to be beaten by the strong?!Is defeating the strong a mere dream!?Marisa!Are they only being shown reality!?Marisa...
-RemiliaEpisode 751: Fly!From the Artist's Pixiv page.And Marisa gets thrown head over heels!Making Sport of the AudienceThe tables have turned in a flash!Is this the true power of a vampire?!...just as the booing started turning into cheers!...you did well too, even under these rules.
-RemiliaI was quite thrown off.
-RemiliaWhen the contest is over, come by for tea!
-RemiliaI'll welcome you!
-Remilia