@ion288 please, there's nothing sexual going on here and the setting is perfectly innocent. Is it just the underwear tag?

ANON_TOKYO said in comment #2589099:

@ion288 please, there's nothing sexual going on here and the setting is perfectly innocent. Is it just the underwear tag?

I saw the midriff, but yes, panties are also mostly S unless its on a chibi or something.

ion288 said in comment #2589103:

I saw the midriff, but yes, panties are also mostly S unless its on a chibi or something.

Is it really that difficult to tag based on image contents and not blindly based on tags.

ANON_TOKYO said in comment #2589106:

Is it really that difficult to tag based on image contents and not blindly based on tags.

I did not look at the tags, I saw the midriff. Navels are generally seen as S.

If you insist on gardening ratings you should at least be capable of taking context into account and not just go "navel that's S".

ANON_TOKYO said in comment #2589110:

If you insist on gardening ratings you should at least be capable of taking context into account and not just go "navel that's S".

The context is two girls sleeping with just enough flesh exposed that a good number of people would consider this combined with the positioning as at least slightly suggestive. Just because it's not as suggestive as most S posts doesn't mean it's something you'd want to be showing random people.

We might as well start tagging all girls as at least rating:s at this point, especially if they have b**bs and n*vels . There's nothing sexually framed or suggestive about this image and I'm confused on why this might be the line.

NiceLittleDan said in comment #2589168:

We might as well start tagging all girls as at least rating:s at this point, especially if they have b**bs and n*vels . There's nothing sexually framed or suggestive about this image and I'm confused on why this might be the line.

It's not simply because the midriff is exposed. The midriffs are fairly prominent, the top of the panties are visible, as is the groin of the girl on the right, and it gives off the vibe that you're watching them sleep in a slightly voyeuristic manner. Most of these are minor details that don't affect much on their own, but they add up. If it were only a matter of having the midriff exposed and it were more subtle, I would be fine with this being rated G.

The whole point of the G rating was to have something to put the 100% SFW in so users can browse the site or freely show others without worrying about showing something inappropriate. I'm sure the intent behind it was completely innocent with no desire to titillate, but I still think it's likely to raise a few eyebrows if you show it to normal people.

Blank_User said in comment #2589186:

but I still think it's likely to raise a few eyebrows if you show it to normal people.

What kind of "normal" people are you talking about?
Actual normal people would see this and not care at all, instead of overanalyzing every little detail which might upset a Mormon grandma.

Incineration said in comment #2589191:

What kind of "normal" people are you talking about?
Actual normal people would see this and not care at all, instead of overanalyzing every little detail which might upset a Mormon grandma.

Yeah this sounds like the same over-analyzing that lead to post #7005963 being argued for S for being "cleavage focus". Just because it's visible doesn't make it prominent in an even remotely sexualized manner.

Blank_User said in comment #2589131:

The context is two girls sleeping with just enough flesh exposed that a good number of people would consider this combined with the positioning as at least slightly suggestive. Just because it's not as suggestive as most S posts doesn't mean it's something you'd want to be showing random people.

Also come on talk like a human. "Enough flesh exposed" have you ever laid in a bed with clothes on? What's happening here is just something that happens and the entire image agrees with that context as there's nothing else happening. It's just a cute image that the artist added a realistic touch to.

Seems after a short discussion on discord this was ruled S because enough people took issue with it being G. I don't agree but it is what it is. Leaving a screenshot for the sake of those not in the discord.

Incineration said in comment #2589191:

What kind of "normal" people are you talking about?
Actual normal people would see this and not care at all, instead of overanalyzing every little detail which might upset a Mormon grandma.

By "normal," I mean people who aren't exposed to a lot of anime art. All of us are at risk of being desensitized to a degree, so we should take that into account when deciding how something should be rated.

As I said, the small details aren't significant on their own. I wasn't going out of my way to look for details to justify an S rating. I've rated plenty of posts with minor "S" traits as G myself. What I'm saying is that their combined effect makes the image feel S to me, and it's something I would be cautious of showing to others. But I can't explain that without pointing these details out, especially since some seem to think the only issue is midriff exposure and nothing else.

ANON_TOKYO said in comment #2589209:

Also come on talk like a human. "Enough flesh exposed" have you ever laid in a bed with clothes on? What's happening here is just something that happens and the entire image agrees with that context as there's nothing else happening. It's just a cute image that the artist added a realistic touch to.

I already spend too much time trying to word things clearly and concisely. I'm not going to jump through more hoops just to make you feel more comfortable.

We don't care whether what's happening is normal in that context. What matters is how it's being presented in the image, and I (and apparently plenty of others) feel the way it's presented is closer to S than G. Note that I never said the midriff makes it an automatic S. Artist intention doesn't override our rating criteria, either.

Also, repeating this from the Discord screenshot as this is basically the point I was making before:

nonamethanks said:

i think it's S because people don't agree that it's obviously G
G is meant to be for 100% no questions asked G posts
if you're on the fence in 99% of the cases it's S