Watching Texas almost becoming blue at the beginning of the counting and now Atlanta (and other blue hotspots) flipping Georgia to Biden, is a cardiac race.
But, as an outsider, I'm more interested about why there's a lot differences between voting tendencies in rural and urban areas.
Watching Texas almost becoming blue at the beginning of the counting and now Atlanta (and other blue hotspots) flipping Georgia to Biden, is a cardiac race.
But, as an outsider, I'm more interested about why there's a lot differences between voting tendencies in rural and urban areas.
As i understand, people from liberal states like California move to Texas due to lower taxes and cost of living and vote democrat which is why Texas almost became blue.
As i understand, people from liberal states like California move to Texas due to lower taxes and cost of living and vote democrat which is why Texas almost became blue.
That would require ~12 million people to have moved to Texas from California.
Cities tend to be more diverse racially and have more college-educated people, and nonwhite and better-educated people are more likely to vote Democrat.
That would require ~12 million people to have moved to Texas from California.
And that probably happened, and not only from states like California, Arizona is also experiencing this. + it's already been happening for some time now and not just in this year or in last 4 years since the last election.
If we had to divide them up based on their namesakes:
Iowa and SoDak go to Trump while Colorado goes to Biden.
Helena leans red, while Houston and Atlanta are heavily blue.
Fletcher's namesake was born in Oskaloosa, IA, so she would back Trump, while Johnston's and Sammy's were born in Cincinnati and San Francisco respectively, going to Biden.
Saratoga's and Gambier Bay's respective counties lean towards Trump. Since Hornet and Intrepid aren't named after locations, the only thing we could use are either their places of construction or current location. They were both built in Newport News, and Intrepid currently resides in New York, while Hornet's Essex-class namesake is in Alameda. So one way or another, they'd be for Biden.
So the final tally:
Trump 6: Iowa, SoDak, Helena, Fletcher, Saratoga, and Gambier Bay
If we had to divide them up based on their namesakes:
Iowa and SoDak go to Trump while Colorado goes to Biden.
Helena leans red, while Houston and Atlanta are heavily blue.
Fletcher's namesake was born in Oskaloosa, IA, so she would back Trump, while Johnston's and Sammy's were born in Cincinnati and San Francisco respectively, going to Biden.
Saratoga's and Gambier Bay's respective counties lean towards Trump. Since Hornet and Intrepid aren't named after locations, the only thing we could use are either their places of construction or current location. They were both built in Newport News, and Intrepid currently resides in New York, while Hornet's Essex-class namesake is in Alameda. So one way or another, they'd be for Biden.
So the final tally:
Trump 6: Iowa, SoDak, Helena, Fletcher, Saratoga, and Gambier Bay
Those maps are always misleading, all those red areas is just farmland or wilderness no one lives there.
Except for the people who live there.
airb350 said:
As i understand, people from liberal states like California move to Texas due to lower taxes and cost of living and vote democrat which is why Texas almost became blue.
Southerner here. What really grinds our gears are the people that move to escape the negative effects of blue policies, then immediately start voting blue in their new area.
Southerner here. What really grinds our gears are the people that move to escape the negative effects of blue policies, then immediately start voting blue in their new area.
I pretty sure California is just being California... its basically like Florida being Florida
Watching Texas almost becoming blue at the beginning of the counting and now Atlanta (and other blue hotspots) flipping Georgia to Biden, is a cardiac race.
But, as an outsider, I'm more interested about why there's a lot differences between voting tendencies in rural and urban areas.
If I had to hazard a guess, it's generally because the urban places act a lot like staging grounds for what goes on in the suburban and rural sections, especially regarding social issues. For example, Baltimore had to deal with the opioid epidemic before Purdue started pumping Appalachia full of pills; heck, the whole thing was predicted by a jailed UCLA professor who got busted back in the 90s for producing nearly the entire world supply of LSD.
A_Lurker said:
Except for the people who live there.
Southerner here. What really grinds our gears are the people that move to escape the negative effects of blue policies, then immediately start voting blue in their new area.
Try living in Maryland. We're too Southern for the Northern states, and too Northern for the Southern states.
And that probably happened, and not only from states like California, Arizona is also experiencing this. + it's already been happening for some time now and not just in this year or in last 4 years since the last election.
Speaking as a Democrat and a life-long Texan, that's a load of bullshit.
And that probably happened, and not only from states like California, Arizona is also experiencing this. + it's already been happening for some time now and not just in this year or in last 4 years since the last election.
Californians moving to Texas represents only about 17% of Texas's total immigration, according to the state's realtors. While not insignificant, that amounts to under 90k/yr, not 12 million in a single year.
What's actually happening is from the Stacey Abrams playbook in Georgia: intensified efforts at countering voter suppression leads to a massive POC and youth voter increase. Fair Fight's efforts brought 800,000 NEW voters into Georgia from among communities and groups that'd previously been under-represented in Georgian politics -- well over the threshold that Trump lost the state by. Similar organizers and organizations have spent the last four years in swing states working towards that outcome.
southern states are going blue bc black people are becoming more politically active and countering voter suppression + old conservatives die out and young generations increasingly trend left
You know those farm lands are what provides you with food and Truckers who deliver it to you. Remember that next time you eat.
They figure robots will do all that stuff. Their ultimate goal is to force everyone to live in cities, where they can be easily exploited dependents that are cheap to maintain, like livestock. Basically prison-like farms for humans.
Mexico City is the future as far as they're concerned.
You know those farm lands are what provides you with food and Truckers who deliver it to you. Remember that next time you eat.
With climate change I wonder how long those places will be farmland in the near future, especially with the chances of another dust bowl occurring growing and droughts hitting nearly the whole western half of the US. Also, trucking is a shitty job, that has shitty pay, shitty benefits, and shitty working conditions. The vast majority of truckers leave their job in a year, with some places having hit near 100% turnover rates.
Steak said:
They figure robots will do all that stuff. Their ultimate goal is to force everyone to live in cities, where they can be easily exploited dependents that are cheap to maintain, like livestock. Basically prison-like farms for humans.
Mexico City is the future as far as they're concerned.
Funny you bring up robots, given trucking is one of the jobs that businesses are working hard to automate to get rid of truckers because the businesses don't want to improve their working conditions and so they simply can't retain having truckers.
One of the main reasons people end up "forced" to go to cities is because that's where the jobs are, and too frequently it's the short sightedness of rural communities that when given the chance to invest and diversify what types of industries that can flourish in their community they instead choose to double down on existing industries that all too frequently means putting their eggs in only a few baskets and ignoring that the industry they're dependent on might one day disappear. It also doesn't help that these same communities frequently vote in people who end up kneecapping their communities from being able to improve, such as limiting the ability to get things like high-speed internet services into their communities.
With climate change I wonder how long those places will be farmland in the near future, especially with the chances of another dust bowl occurring growing and droughts hitting nearly the whole western half of the US. Also, trucking is a shitty job, that has shitty pay, shitty benefits, and shitty working conditions. The vast majority of truckers leave their job in a year, with some places having hit near 100% turnover rates.
There's independent truckers that thrive on owning and maintaining their own riggs. There's a reason why Optimus Prime is one; the representation of independence and freedom. King of the road, but master of no one.
Funny you bring up robots, given trucking is one of the jobs that businesses are working hard to automate to get rid of truckers because the businesses don't want to improve their working conditions and so they simply can't retain having truckers.
One of the main reasons people end up "forced" to go to cities is because that's where the jobs are, and too frequently it's the short sightedness of rural communities that when given the chance to invest and diversify what types of industries that can flourish in their community they instead choose to double down on existing industries that all too frequently means putting their eggs in only a few baskets and ignoring that the industry they're dependent on might one day disappear. It also doesn't help that these same communities frequently vote in people who end up kneecapping their communities from being able to improve, such as limiting the ability to get things like high-speed internet services into their communities.
That's because they prefer 1.) stability and 2.) sticking with what they know works. In other words, traditions they know to live and die by. And it worked pretty well for centuries, but many fell for the empty promises of industrialization and manufacturing, leaving them in toxic wastelands that used to be real towns you could live in.
Cities are *not* an answer. You have slums. You have urban decay. You talk about "diversifying", but who does that benefit besides the people living at the top of the heap? Most people really aren't suited to mastering various crafts and fields. Especially as they get older. Not to mention that just because it's a city doesn't mean it can't fail, no matter how many fingers and pots they've got.
That's because they prefer 1.) stability and 2.) sticking with what they know works. In other words, traditions they know to live and die by. And it worked pretty well for centuries, but many fell for the empty promises of industrialization and manufacturing, leaving them in toxic wastelands that used to be real towns you could live in.
Cities are *not* an answer. You have slums. You have urban decay. You talk about "diversifying", but who does that benefit besides the people living at the top of the heap? Most people really aren't suited to mastering various crafts and fields. Especially as they get older. Not to mention that just because it's a city doesn't mean it can't fail, no matter how many fingers and pots they've got.
Unfortunately, the concept of stability is an illusion. Everything changes at some point and sticking to "what they know" just means stagnation and inevitably failure and collapse. Times change whether you like it or not and even the most rural areas are interdependent on places outside of it. Resource deposits end, forests disappear, fish populations collapse, climate heats up, rainfall decreases, new developments result in materials that cut the need for extracting other materials, cities or farming upstream drains the rivers so they don't flow downstream, oil and gas extraction pollutes the ground water making it unusable, new roads or rails divert traffic away from the area cutting down local business, etc. The list of things that can happen to rural communities is endless. Being ignorant of them and refusing to adapt with the changing times will not make things better for them.
I'm not sure why you think that diversifying the industry of a community only benefits the wealthy, when in the end the lack of it is exactly what kills small town communities and puts them under the thumb of your so-called "people at the top of the heap." When you have no alternative industries to keep your community alive, the guy who owns that lumber mill, that factory, that mine that is the sole source of real income for the community gets all the say and can rule however they want.
As for people not being suited to mastering various crafts or fields as an argument against diversifying. You've got to be joking. Sure, different people have various kinds of jobs that suit them, but if you somehow think a small-town community with few major industries is some sort of benefit to them, then you're just being foolish. The lack of diverse industries means a lack of diverse types of jobs, which means that if you aren't suited for the few jobs they do have, then you're either forced into a job that doesn't suit you or you're leaving the town instead to work elsewhere. Leaving of course means progressively killing the town over time as people will keep moving out of the town and thus not developing it.
Also, as people get older, it's honestly much worse for elderly people living in a rural area than a more urban area. Rural areas lack medical facilities, they lack people with medical expertise, they're dependent on jobs that typically require manual labor, to get anywhere requires traveling long distances, public transit is either long waits or nonexistent. If you're not young and healthy, you're going to have a lot more difficulties living in a rural community than not.
As for cities failing, sure that's true, but small towns are much more prone and vulnerable to failure than a larger city, so you don't really have a point.
They figure robots will do all that stuff. Their ultimate goal is to force everyone to live in cities, where they can be easily exploited dependents that are cheap to maintain, like livestock. Basically prison-like farms for humans.
Mexico City is the future as far as they're concerned.
With climate change I wonder how long those places will be farmland in the near future, especially with the chances of another dust bowl occurring growing and droughts hitting nearly the whole western half of the US. Also, trucking is a shitty job, that has shitty pay, shitty benefits, and shitty working conditions. The vast majority of truckers leave their job in a year, with some places having hit near 100% turnover rates.
Funny you bring up robots, given trucking is one of the jobs that businesses are working hard to automate to get rid of truckers because the businesses don't want to improve their working conditions and so they simply can't retain having truckers.
One of the main reasons people end up "forced" to go to cities is because that's where the jobs are, and too frequently it's the short sightedness of rural communities that when given the chance to invest and diversify what types of industries that can flourish in their community they instead choose to double down on existing industries that all too frequently means putting their eggs in only a few baskets and ignoring that the industry they're dependent on might one day disappear. It also doesn't help that these same communities frequently vote in people who end up kneecapping their communities from being able to improve, such as limiting the ability to get things like high-speed internet services into their communities.
Well it sucks to live in those cities doesn't it! Dust Bowl, climate change = no farm land, no truckers in the future.... yes, I agree! Living in the cites is and will be terrible even in the future. I guess those farmers will use their skills to build and farm elsewhere.
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