Well, that's because it isn't a *true* flail. A real flail is a two handed staff-like weapon with a spiked bludgeon on a very small chain, of between three and eight links. this is more of a chain whip with a mace head.
Well, that's because it isn't a *true* flail. A real flail is a two handed staff-like weapon with a spiked bludgeon on a very small chain, of between three and eight links. this is more of a chain whip with a mace head.
But that still won't excuse JuanDeLata's argument, buddy. Why using this unnecessary-long & harder to use flail that might harm yourself if you goof up just to get more reach, instead of normal flail. And don't forget that these "Chain-whip" that you mentioned need both hands to handling it properly and this chick in drawing just imprudently use her (((flail))) with a shield.
...But Whatever, it just a drawing anyway and rules of cool ain't hurt nobody. Out of all this author OCs, i think longsword and zweihander seems rather nice. Spear with no boob-plate is pretty neat too.
Well, that's because it isn't a *true* flail. A real flail is a two handed staff-like weapon with a spiked bludgeon on a very small chain, of between three and eight links. this is more of a chain whip with a mace head.
WHat are you saying is Staff Flail, medieval military use many term for this kind of flail, and there are one-hand flail like this.
But that still won't excuse JuanDeLata's argument, buddy. Why using this unnecessary-long & harder to use flail that might harm yourself if you goof up just to get more reach, instead of normal flail. And don't forget that these "Chain-whip" that you mentioned need both hands to handling it properly and this chick in drawing just imprudently use her (((flail))) with a shield.
...But Whatever, it just a drawing anyway and rules of cool ain't hurt nobody. Out of all this author OCs, i think longsword and zweihander seems rather nice. Spear with no boob-plate is pretty neat too.
Why use a perfectly normal weapon when you can have "FUN" with random chance?W
Why use a perfectly normal weapon when you can have "FUN" with random chance?W
I like'em practical & effective(plain & boring, for those who like their arms to be ludicrous) or else i coundn't get it going. Different strokes for different folks, those kind of thing.
I thought those are either anachronistic "reproductions" or fanciful illustrations of "bygone times".
Well, flail is originally an agricultural tool use for threshing grains. AND like many farming tools, it got used by peasants who can't afford better weapons in time of war(or fighting in general). Then someone(lots of 'em) got creative, and make weapons out of it.
It is real, just rare. (And possibly didn't really exist with the metal chain, but a leather cord, instead.) It's just that flails are more common in cartoons than they were in actual medieval warfare.
That said, it's not like there weren't times when flails were completely crazy. One of the wikipedia images of contemporary art showing one shows a fully armored knight on horseback wielding one. Late medieval armor (plate and mail) was very difficult to puncture, so knights gave up shields and focused upon two-handed weapons that could carry enough momentum to impart enough brute force to still injure armored opponents. You just trusted in your own armor to shrug off less powerful blows that came while you left yourself open, or just rode away from return attacks on horseback. Not every battle is a one-on-one duel, and an unwieldy weapon has its place. (It's not like muskets were elegant, reliable, easily reloaded, or accurate, but they took over the battlefield...)
Well, flail is originally an agricultural tool use for threshing grains. AND like many farming tools, it got used by peasants who can't afford better weapons in time of war(or fighting in general). Then someone(lots of 'em) got creative, and make weapons out of it.
I know. Short stick attached to a longer stick, an agricultural implement used all around the world (well, places that grow grains, at least). Good for hitting people too, so they find use in peasant mobs and levies. Military versions (both in Europe and Asia) will have the striking 'stick' reinforced and weighted, or even spikes and flanges added. Ultimately the striking part is still mostly cylindrical.
Medieval one-handed single ball-and-chain 'flails' that Panzercracker is referring to are usually fake though. Extant 'examples' in museums are mostly Renaissance-era or later facsimiles. Paintings/illustrations depicting the same are also generally from the Renaissance or Early Modern era. There are medieval-era illustrations depicting similar-looking weapons, but those are usually two-handers, and wielded from horseback.
Hence anachronistic "reproductions" or fanciful illustrations of "bygone times". Even historians dispute the existence of the medieval 1H ball-and-chain flail (as an actual weapon of war), due to few surviving examples (which may be ceremonial), the widespread numbers of verified fake later-era reproductions (which raise further doubts over the authenticity of the aforementioned surviving examples), lack of information in historical (contemporary) text, and well, the sheer impracticality of the weapon itself (which bumps up the standard of proof needed. Blade or pointy bit on a stick? Hafted blade? Yeah, probably war weapons. Spiked ball at the end of a long chain? Uhhh... you'll likely hit yourself or your friend with it, and you need a lot of training to even make it any way remotely practical. So, er... probably not used in war? Single combat by a show-off maybe, and torture implements, sure, but war weapons are doubtful. We need some actual documentation or attested examples to show otherwise.)
Granted, the Slavic artifacts like the kisten do look kinda legit. They may be ceremonial though, due to how decorated some of them are.
I know. Short stick attached to a longer stick, an agricultural implement used all around the world (well, places that grow grains, at least). Good for hitting people too, so they find use in peasant mobs and levies. Military versions (both in Europe and Asia) will have the striking 'stick' reinforced and weighted, or even spikes and flanges added. Ultimately the striking part is still mostly cylindrical.
Medieval one-handed single ball-and-chain 'flails' that Panzercracker is referring to are usually fake though. Extant 'examples' in museums are mostly Renaissance-era or later facsimiles. Paintings/illustrations depicting the same are also generally from the Renaissance or Early Modern era. There are medieval-era illustrations depicting similar-looking weapons, but those are usually two-handers, and wielded from horseback.
Hence anachronistic "reproductions" or fanciful illustrations of "bygone times". Even historians dispute the existence of the medieval 1H ball-and-chain flail (as an actual weapon of war), due to few surviving examples (which may be ceremonial), the widespread numbers of verified fake later-era reproductions (which raise further doubts over the authenticity of the aforementioned surviving examples), lack of information in historical (contemporary) text, and well, the sheer impracticality of the weapon itself (which bumps up the standard of proof needed. Blade or pointy bit on a stick? Hafted blade? Yeah, probably war weapons. Spiked ball at the end of a long chain? Uhhh... you'll likely hit yourself or your friend with it, and you need a lot of training to even make it any way remotely practical. So, er... probably not used in war? Single combat by a show-off maybe, and torture implements, sure, but war weapons are doubtful. We need some actual documentation or attested examples to show otherwise.)
Granted, the Slavic artifacts like the kisten do look kinda legit. They may be ceremonial though, due to how decorated some of them are.
Ceremonial always based on real battlefield weapons, like honored guard's halberd, they're decorated heavily but halberd is not a fake or fantasy weapon. flail usually don't use in close tight formation, but mostly on horse back or on the wall (mostly on defense side), it can hit the enemy from the angle that normal weapon can't or must expose yourself to much to hit the enemy and has great change to be shot by enemy archer/crossbowman.
I know. Short stick attached to a longer stick, an agricultural implement used all around the world (well, places that grow grains, at least). Good for hitting people too, so they find use in peasant mobs and levies. Military versions (both in Europe and Asia) will have the striking 'stick' reinforced and weighted, or even spikes and flanges added. Ultimately the striking part is still mostly cylindrical.
Medieval one-handed single ball-and-chain 'flails' that Panzercracker is referring to are usually fake though. Extant 'examples' in museums are mostly Renaissance-era or later facsimiles. Paintings/illustrations depicting the same are also generally from the Renaissance or Early Modern era. There are medieval-era illustrations depicting similar-looking weapons, but those are usually two-handers, and wielded from horseback.
Hence anachronistic "reproductions" or fanciful illustrations of "bygone times". Even historians dispute the existence of the medieval 1H ball-and-chain flail (as an actual weapon of war), due to few surviving examples (which may be ceremonial), the widespread numbers of verified fake later-era reproductions (which raise further doubts over the authenticity of the aforementioned surviving examples), lack of information in historical (contemporary) text, and well, the sheer impracticality of the weapon itself (which bumps up the standard of proof needed. Blade or pointy bit on a stick? Hafted blade? Yeah, probably war weapons. Spiked ball at the end of a long chain? Uhhh... you'll likely hit yourself or your friend with it, and you need a lot of training to even make it any way remotely practical. So, er... probably not used in war? Single combat by a show-off maybe, and torture implements, sure, but war weapons are doubtful. We need some actual documentation or attested examples to show otherwise.)
Granted, the Slavic artifacts like the kisten do look kinda legit. They may be ceremonial though, due to how decorated some of them are.
Ceremonial always based on real battlefield weapons, like honored guard's halberd, they're decorated heavily but halberd is not a fake or fantasy weapon. flail usually don't use in close tight formation, but mostly on horse back or on the wall (mostly on defense side), it can hit the enemy from the angle that normal weapon can't or must expose yourself to much to hit the enemy and has great change to be shot by enemy archer/crossbowman.
Put short - you probably want one with a longer handle than a chain so that you don't mash your own hand just carrying it around, much less attacking, it's useless for parrying, it takes someone very strong and well-trained in flail-type weapons to use, and it's probably best for bashing a guy with a shield once, dropping, then drawing a shortsword and gutting the guy when you're close rather than trying to recover it and give it another big swing.