Gengetsu? Mugetsu?

It hasn't been long since I realized that the atom-destroying fan is not canon from ZUN. It's Aki Eda's idea on "super advanced tech".
Well, it's pretty cool so I guess it's fine.

Atom-destroying fan ? wtf are you guys taking about i don't remeber anything of atom-destroying her fan dose something completely dif from what i remember.

Master_elite said:

Atom-destroying fan ? wtf are you guys taking about i don't remeber anything of atom-destroying her fan dose something completely dif from what i remember.

Toyohime's fan is a Lunarian weapon of mass-destruction. That's all that's known about it. Supposedly she could vaporize all of Gensokyo with one sweep of it, but she could have been bluffing Yukari at the time.

What was shown is her using the fan to travel between earth and the moon instantly, and transform the fantasy moon into the airless scientific moon to kill one of Yukari's crow shikigami.

painisemo said:

Toyohime's fan is a Lunarian weapon of mass-destruction. That's all that's known about it. Supposedly she could vaporize all of Gensokyo with one sweep of it, but she could have been bluffing Yukari at the time.

What was shown is her using the fan to travel between earth and the moon instantly, and transform the fantasy moon into the airless scientific moon to kill one of Yukari's crow shikigami.

I remember only something like "this fan can create such a strong gust of wind that it will destroy the whole forest", nothing about vaporizing the whole Gensokyo. It's basically an upgraded version of the fan used by tengu, that is supposedly already strong enough to cause tornadoes. Anyway, it's "only" a weapon (the most advanced lunarian weaponry) and this is all it does, the moon /earth travels and the crow stuff are caused by Toyohime's personal abilities.

[KN] said:

I remember only something like "this fan can create such a strong gust of wind that it will destroy the whole forest", nothing about vaporizing the whole Gensokyo. It's basically an upgraded version of the fan used by tengu, that is supposedly already strong enough to cause tornadoes. Anyway, it's "only" a weapon (the most advanced lunarian weaponry) and this is all it does, the moon /earth travels and the crow stuff are caused by Toyohime's personal abilities.

Seeing as how Toyohime is stronger than Yukari (according to herself), I'm pretty sure she wasn't bluffing. It isn't just a forest, it's strong enough to pretty much destroy all of Gensokyo. And if Yukari were to fight Toyohime, she would end up risking all the lives of Gensokyo and her own life, which is something she wouldn't do.

ZXNova said:

Seeing as how Toyohime is stronger than Yukari (according to herself), I'm pretty sure she wasn't bluffing. It isn't just a forest, it's strong enough to pretty much destroy all of Gensokyo. And if Yukari were to fight Toyohime, she would end up risking all the lives of Gensokyo and her own life, which is something she wouldn't do.

No, when explaining the fan's power she only talks about the forest.
http://www.mangareader.net/touhou-bougetsushou-silent-sinner-in-blue/18/15

As for "Toyohime is stronger than Yukari", since Yukari and Ran were the true decoy to allow Yuyuko going indisturbed to the Moon capital (Eirin thought Remilia was the decoy for Yukari, not knowing that Remilia was doing it only to amuse herself), is possible that she faked being weaker than Toyohime to avoid bloodshed or just because she didn't want to fight (not that i doubt of her strenght, but from what we know about her my guess is that she is similar to Yuuka: enormous raw power but lack of any particular skill that would give her a big advantage, while Yukari has big power and any sort of trick to help herself win a fight), since you can see Yukari smiling ominously like it was all planned by her (and it really was) after she was blocked with the lunar ropes.

[KN] said:

No, when explaining the fan's power she only talks about the forest.
http://www.mangareader.net/touhou-bougetsushou-silent-sinner-in-blue/18/15

As for "Toyohime is stronger than Yukari", since Yukari and Ran were the true decoy to allow Yuyuko going indisturbed to the Moon capital (Eirin thought Remilia was the decoy for Yukari, not knowing that Remilia was doing it only to amuse herself), is possible that she faked being weaker than Toyohime to avoid bloodshed or just because she didn't want to fight (not that i doubt of her strenght, but from what we know about her my guess is that she is similar to Yuuka: enormous raw power but lack of any particular skill that would give her a big advantage, while Yukari has big power and any sort of trick to help herself win a fight), since you can see Yukari smiling ominously like it was all planned by her (and it really was) after she was blocked with the lunar ropes.

There was another part of the manga where Yukari explained to Ran that Lunarians are much stronger than youkai. Now I know that Yukari lies a lot, but I'm certain Yukari wasn't joking when she said that. She was speaking to Ran during a sort of 'intimate' period, they were alone, they weren't being spied on. Not to mention Yukari is most likely speaking from her own experiences, after all, she lead a war against the moon before, which ended up a loss. And it was Eirin that caused her to lose (remember the moon phase periods and how they were shortened?) Yukari learned from her mistake and was able to invade the moon again without 'losing' this time. Yukari knows that the Lunarians are smart, so in order for her to win, she has to make it seem like she's 'losing'. Why would Yukari make herself a decoy if she knew she was strong enough to defeat Toyohime? Because she knows she isn't. Not only that, she would easily be caught too. Yuyuko and Youmu were the best people to infiltrate the moon because they aren't 'impure'. The can sneak in pretty much undetected. Yukari is very smart, she learns from her mistakes quickly. Being able to trick the natural genius Eirin is a huge feat. (Albeit all that was stolen was sake)

About being similar to Yuuka, that's purely an assumption. Toyohime isn't just some brute force character, you know that by her natural ability to bridge the Earth and Moon. She was also a student of Eirin, the Brain of the Moon, the Lunarian Sage, so
there is more to what Toyohime can do than that.

Yukari's ability to manipulate boundaries does have infinite potential, but Yukari isn't that powerful. Yukari has always been the type to manipulate things from the shadows, never doing things directly. She's has vast power, but she can only use it indirectly. So as far as fights are concerned, Yukari isn't the best.