A dress (also frock, gown) is a garment consisting of a skirt with an attached bodice or with a matching bodice giving the effect of a one-piece garment.
Which is the wikipedia entry.
The dictionary definition (looked for a ton)
• n. 1. a one-piece garment for a woman or girl that covers the body and extends down over the legs.
While the definition varies slightly in wording, the fact it has to be one piece is central to all the definitions.
I'd say the dress tag wiki should be corrected, as the tag is only intended for the one-piece garment. If the skirt is not attached, then it is not a dress and should not receive the tag. The one-piece garment is the definition of dress that is used for tagging, what the wiki states is incorrect.
Yeah, outfit is a really vague word that (to me, at least) can mean "whatever someone is wearing". And it seems equally useless as a descriptive tag, as it's currently on posts as vastly differing as post #465777 (shirt, tie, pants, coat) and post #108694 (shirt and skirt).
I have mistagged lots and lots of matching two-piece outfits with dress, following the wiki definition. My English was not strong enough, so I just took it as it was. post #7041 is a good example.
This leads to a further question: What to do with pictures like post #183626, where one cannot really tell whether there are two pieces or clothing or just one?
unicogirl said: Honestly, I don't see the purpose of the an 'outfit' tag. Just because a character is wearing a blouse and vest?
Via the definition it generally refers to matching garments as opposed to just a generic skirt and blouse.
jjj14 said: Yeah, outfit is a really vague word that (to me, at least) can mean "whatever someone is wearing". And it seems equally useless as a descriptive tag, as it's currently on posts as vastly differing as post #465777 (shirt, tie, pants, coat) and post #108694 (shirt and skirt).
Honestly it was a pre-existing tag with no definition and the existing posts. I updated it with the definition and added the example.
It should only be used in situation where the garments are matching (ya that can be quite vague in some cases).
Also I didn't go through the list (short as it is) since I suspected the tag itself would generate discussion on it's application/value.
Generally it's existence to me is a replacement for situations where they old wiki definition of dress was being misused (coincidentally matching the definition of outfit), that is matching garments giving the appearance of one piece. Not exact but a close definition.
As to it's value, that is a good question. Keep it or toss it that seems to something for a new thread.
I have mistagged lots and lots of matching two-piece outfits with dress, following the wiki definition. My English was not strong enough, so I just took it as it was. post #7041 is a good example.
I would not worry about it, there have been a ton of mistags. I am sure I have done some mistags.
This leads to a further question: What to do with pictures like post #183626, where one cannot really tell whether there are two pieces or clothing or just one?
General rule is tag what you can see. I would call that a dress because their is no clear indication it is anything but a one piece garment.
I would say when not clear go with dress. I think it would be best to use dress as the default since without anything specifically showing a separation of top and bottom, one would assume a dress.
As regards the problem with outfit: based on the earlier definition of dress, could a two-piece_garment tag be introduced? Or something similar?
Good idea. I will copy paste this part into the other thread (I actually got side tracked and never finished reading this thread).
Since this is somewhat related, I'm a bit confused on the wiki for sailor_dress, particularly the "All serafuku are technically sailor dresses" part. My take on the tag (and what it tends to be used for anyway) is that it's used for one-piece sailor-collared dresses, whether "casual" or school uniforms. The vast majority of serafuku images are school uniforms with skirts, though, so that doesn't sound right to me. Maybe there needs to be some rewording to that wiki?
EB said: "All serafuku are technically sailor dresses"
I agree that this is wrong, but it could be made to be right by omitting the "es" (making "dress" as a mass noun is synonymous with "clothing") at the end, perhaps adding "derived from" before sailor.
The typical serafuku with a skirt and shirt of contrasting colors is certainly not a dress perse, and although it is meant to coordinate I think callilng it a skirt_set or skirt_suit whichever we agreed on would still be too much of a stretch.
