But really, as I said before, I don't mind who win this round, since it got me entertained with at least a Muscle Spark. Though now I'm wondering who'll be able to take on the castle of white red here.

Edit: Future speculations.
- Patchouli will most probably serve as seconds for Sakuya's team.
- Flandre will be enjoying some time with Sanae during the free time.

Of course, it's the wildest dream I'll have for this series, but it's to happen
Remilia is beaten rather badly to further participate. Reimu then formed a team with Marisa as the Machineguns

Hysteria mode, ON

Wait what did Reimu not need anymore?

This is so soul-crushingly depressing
(well for the "weak" or No natural talent people)
Reimu is a bitch she was faking(?) trying to kill Nitori and Marisa being the good person she is gave up for her team and Reimu isnt reacting at all

Well now all thats left is the teams that are not really "good guys" except for the Tenshi-Utsuho team

Damn now I feel like absolute crap

Well hope they depower Reimu just a bit otherwise this will be like reading silent sinner in blue brrrrr... final thoughts it was a Good match

I have a feeling that if Reimu does get taken down, it'll be by Sanae's team or by Tenshi/Okuu.

While the fight was made enjoyable, it kinda leaves a bad taste in the mouth knowing all of Kirisame Familliar's efforts (as cheating as they were) were for naught.

All there's left really to root for are Heaven and Hell combo :| (For me anyway)

She bluffed them. That was funny. And to those that dislike either of them winning, they both did enough that they earned it. Now if Remilia could learn to keep her mouth shut...

Farran said:
I have a feeling that if Reimu does get taken down, it'll be by Sanae's team or by Tenshi/Okuu.

Naw have to have the Reimu/Remilia Sakuya/Suika in the final. I think their plot armours will match up nicely.

I know it's just wishful thinking, but I'm hoping for a surprise attack from an angry goddess.

Whoever fights Red 75% next better know a good way to get around or dispel barriers.

*Sigh* Gotta say, I'm more than a little disappointed at how this turned out.

BSOD Marisa. Fuck yeah!

I'm not sure what Marisa's calling as Reimu's bluff. Pretty sure a palm strike that could level a whole stage is hardly a bluff, or does it mean that Reimu from the previous page was implying she was gonna SPLAT them all if she continued?

Well, the fight was full of bullshit for both teams, screw who won and who lost. I am just waiting for the next fight and praying for less stupid excuses for cheating and cheap drama.

It's good to see I'm not the only one with a bad taste in my mouth after this match.

I guess I'll just call Reimu by the name of Reimu Cena now. The way she came back from that low blow and dominated the rest of the match leaves me hoping that someone will come out and be the CM Punk to this story.

That....what...I....but this....I...

Fuck all, that's just...ugh. It seems like all the teams left are the bullshit teams except maybe Heaven/Hell.

I miss the shou/hijiri vs tenshi/okuu fight, i really hope there's another like it before the series ends.

this. . . left a somewhat bad taste to mouth. . .
maybe due the fact I was rooting for Kirisame Familiars the whole time, or maybe its that the "standards" were put so high after the Heaven and Hell Team.
But I think the thing that left the biggest hit to me was the dialogue here that seems to indicate that Reimu could still just keep going on.

Hoping lot of BOO's from audience next time towards Red75% with the speak Marisa gave at the earlier 4koma, and of course rooting for Tenshi/Okuu from here on

And everything was right with the world.

Deathmatcher said:
Well, the fight was full of bullshit for both teams, screw who won and who lost. I am just waiting for the next fight and praying for less stupid excuses for cheating and cheap drama.

You'd have better luck reading the "Gensokyo Tag Tournament" pool then.

Even though they lost, they certainly put up quite a fight, though Marisa was right to throw in the towel as Nitori would have gotten herself killed if she continued her current course.

That and if Marisa had won, chaos would have erupted in Gensokyo.

StriderTuna said:
You'd have better luck reading the "Gensokyo Tag Tournament" pool then.

Even though they lost, they certainly put up quite a fight, though Marisa was right to throw in the towel as Nitori would have gotten herself killed if she continued her current course.

That and if Marisa had won, chaos would have erupted in Gensokyo.

Why would chaos have erupted it's not like defeating her destroys the Hakurei Barrier

Please tell me I'm not the only one who hates
Reimu.

I don't really care that she won, I just think
she's a horrible character. Being overpowered
and unbeatable is fine (if you actually have a
personality), but she's so... apathetic about
everything, including people.

Not to mention when she said to Marisa "You know
you can't win, right?"

Maybe I'm not reading it as the author intended,
but she just always comes off as a boring bitch.

And since I'm new to the Touhou fandom, could someone
explain why she can't be beaten? (Other than her
absurd choujin power level)

And I knew Marisa would lose, but this page is just...
I hope the next page makes it a little better.

28jfj said:
Why would chaos have erupted it's not like defeating her destroys the Hakurei Barrier

Because if the Hakurei Miko is defeated by a mere human(sorry, Marisa, but you said it yourself), all other youkai would go after Reimu they can do the same and Reimu will have her hands full for a while. Reimu explained it a few strips back during Marisa's "weak will swallow the strong" speech.

The only teams I like now are Team Moriya and Heaven & Sky Combo. Lost Servants doesn't really have much development for me to care about them (It seems everyone that wants them to keep going is just saying it because they want Sakuya to fight Remilia), Red 75% is boring, and Eternal Rivals deserves to be crushed like a tin can...

But you know... this is actually a good thing! This makes things much more like an actual episode of Kinikkuman, the good guys have fallen and there's only one team left that the audience roots for, Heaven & Sky Combo.

So we have Red 75% that most people don't like, Eternal Rivals that everyone hates because of Kaguya, Team Moriya that some people hate because of Suwako beating up Red 200% or they hate Sanae because of how she won their matches, Lost Servants who don't have much development but also don't have anything smudging their record but also are incredibly haxed because of Suika, then we have Heaven & Sky Combo who have also have no hatred from the viewers but are also considered by some to be a comedy team.

So who's rooting for who now?

Raigeki said:
Because if the Hakurei Miko is defeated by a mere human(sorry, Marisa, but you said it yourself), all other youkai would go after Reimu they can do the same and Reimu will have her hands full for a while. Reimu explained it a few strips back during Marisa's "weak will swallow the strong" speech.

Except though this is "wrestling" not Danmaku (which is mainly for fights) and Reimu is the most hax besides Shikieiki with her Fantasy Heaven + Hakurei Lineage

Raigeki said:
Because if the Hakurei Miko is defeated by a mere human(sorry, Marisa, but you said it yourself), all other youkai would go after Reimu they can do the same and Reimu will have her hands full for a while. Reimu explained it a few strips back during Marisa's "weak will swallow the strong" speech.

Isn't the barrier there to allow just that, though? It prevents someone like, say, Okuu, from just nuking the entire arena and being done with everything. Not to mention the whole danmaku system is there specifically so that any fighter has a chance.

This match has basically been a ridiculously long sequence of Hope Spots for Marisa and Nitori, and then Red 200% is like "lol okay you had your fun", dusts themselves off, and proceeds to curbstomp everyone as if nothing happened - even Remilia seems to be perfectly fine now, despite claiming to be barely able to stand a few strips back. It's just pretty bad writing, IMO.

I like how Red 75% is one of the few teams that hasn't cheated or fudged the rules or whatever and how they're considered one of the biggest heels right now.

Which is just what Marisa intended. She's a wily one.

Anyway, I favor Red 75% to win so Reimu can have a decent meal, that poor starving girl. I'm equally favorable towards Heaven & Sky winning because they have my sympathy for what dicks the organizers were being to them.

I'm rooting for Moriya and Eternal Rivals to lose because screw them.

And I don't even care about Lost Servants. I forgot they were still involved.

snarfoleptic said:
Please tell me I'm not the only one who hates
Reimu.

I don't really care that she won, I just think
she's a horrible character. Being overpowered
and unbeatable is fine (if you actually have a
personality), but she's so... apathetic about
everything, including people.

Not to mention when she said to Marisa "You know
you can't win, right?"

Maybe I'm not reading it as the author intended,
but she just always comes off as a boring bitch.

This is pretty exactly what I think of her, and it's sad people just seem to like her.

snarfoleptic said:
Please tell me I'm not the only one who hates
Reimu.

I don't really care that she won, I just think
she's a horrible character. Being overpowered
and unbeatable is fine (if you actually have a
personality), but she's so... apathetic about
everything, including people.

Not to mention when she said to Marisa "You know
you can't win, right?"

Maybe I'm not reading it as the author intended,
but she just always comes off as a boring bitch.

And since I'm new to the Touhou fandom, could someone
explain why she can't be beaten? (Other than her
absurd choujin power level)

And I knew Marisa would lose, but this page is just...
I hope the next page makes it a little better.

No, you are most definitely not the only one who hates Reimu. I hate her with a passion and she is easily the character I hate the most in Touhou. It's just that much worse because she's the main character. I'm sure ZUN thinks it's cool to have an unbeatable beast as a main character, and I agree that it can be awesome, but the character has to be likable. Reimu is just a disrespectful, self-centered bitch.

Also, to answer your question: The reason that she can't be beaten (In a non-danmaku battle) is because of her spellcard/technique Fantasy Heaven. The official explanation, far as I can remember, is that it "floats" her into another plane of existence where she cannot be touched. Attacks will not affect her, but she can still attack others. Personally I think the whole "She can't be beat" thing is ridiculous because of Yukari, who is basically a god among gods in Gensokyo. Her power can be summed up as reality warping. How do you beat that?

But yeah...this page was just bleh. I mean it's something you'd expect from her character anyway. "Lol that was easy." I'm sure they're going to win the tournament. Either that, or it's gonna take a DEM of EPIC proportions to beat that. The only possible weakness they have is Remilia's arrogance, but Reimu can take care of teams by herself so what does it really matter?

StriderTuna said:
You'd have better luck reading the "Gensokyo Tag Tournament" pool then.

Sure...instead of cheating and cheap drama, he'd have to deal with god-mode Mokou one-shotting people she has no business even beating.

Everyone forgot Hells Residents?

Steak said:
Everyone forgot Hells Residents?

Orin and Yuugi? They dropped out.

It was part of their brilliant scheme.

randomness said:
Orin and Yuugi? They dropped out.

It was part of their brilliant scheme.

When did that happen?

To both Snarfoleptic and Cosmic-fusion:

Please read more into the actual character before pissing on her for being who she is - it'll do us all a favor. Now, before you all ask I'll reply with a yes. I really like Reimu, and it makes me sad that the newcomers to Touhou fandom throw the hate card on her because according to the word of god, if she says she'll kick your ass, it's going to happen.

I am not here to discuss power levels. Go to a DBZ corner if you want to do that.

The reason Reimu is the way she is; that is, apathetic, self-centered and... Well, greedy, is because she is the only "self-pointed and acclaimed" law enforcement pillar of Gensokyo. She is pretty much holding this pillar on her own, making her job of protecting people the thing that pretty much guarantees youkai won't go on a mass murder spree.

So she must do her job efficiently and effectively. No questions asked, just beat the shit out of troublemakers and teach them the lesson that "If you go overboard... dude, I'll kill you." She is only one person, and... There are shitloads of youkai in Gensokyo.

That, and she is young. I'm pretty sure that she grew up on her own having to carry that pillar on her back, so of course she's going to grow apathetic. She created the Spell Card system only so youkai could cause trouble without killing for real, have a chance to defeat her in combat (thus allowing anyone to actually do something without having to die), and to prevent her from dying from youkai wanton destruction bullshit. So, if on the rather impossible event of her dying in combat (lol Hakurei Bloodline and Fantasy Heaven)... Gensokyo withers and implodes.

...How do you deal with that? She is carrying all of this stigma on her back, and this is the lip you're giving her. Granted that there are people that see and develop Reimu on their own way - this here is Dei Shirou's way.

I still have to wonder if anyone here actually likes Reimu but me. You can hate her all you want, but please give a better justification on the matter other than "she's OP". Because that only makes the pandas sad.

randomness said:
Orin and Yuugi? They dropped out.

It was part of their brilliant scheme.

I thought what happened was that their match ended in a tie, or indecisive.

Also. I LOVE Reimu, vote me down if you want.

randomness said:
Orin and Yuugi? They dropped out.

It was part of their brilliant scheme.

wasn't the match a draw and put on hold for later as a rematch?
EDIT: I like Reimu,its just that the stories sometimes make her personality bit too B***Y

Cosmic-Fusion said:
No, you are most definitely not the only one who hates Reimu. I hate her with a passion and she is easily the character I hate the most in Touhou. It's just that much worse because she's the main character. I'm sure ZUN thinks it's cool to have an unbeatable beast as a main character, and I agree that it can be awesome, but the character has to be likable. Reimu is just a disrespectful, self-centered bitch.

Believe it or not, you have just described a solid chunk of Gensokyo's named residents! A lot of them are disrespectful (they play at being polite but their contempt is obvious), self-absorbed, arrogant b*tches! The canon exceptions (ignoring those with no dialogue) are Rumia, Meiling, Sakuya can be pretty condescending but she only causes trouble because she's following a spoiled brat, Lily White, Alice, the Prismriver Sisters, Youmu, Ran is usually just following orders, Keine, Reisen (IN was full of inconsiderate jerks), Komachi and Shikieiki, most of the MoF cast (though Kanakao and Suwako have their bad moments they are nice most of the time, it's Sanae who seems to be arrogant and rude), Iku, most of the SA cast save Okuu (people tend to forget she was a genocidal nutjob for no real reason), most of the Myouren Temple crew (though Byakuren can come off as condescending and surprisingly narrow-minded in some of her UFO dialogue).

Reimu, Marisa, Cirno, Pathchouli, Remilia, Flandre, Letty (she lies to Sakuya about being responsible for the long winter and outright threatens to kill Reimu for absolutely no reason), Chen, Yuyuko, Yukari, Suika, a good chunk of the IN cast, Yuuka, Medicine, Aya, Sanae, Parsee, Okuu, Rinnousuke, and Nue are all troublemaking brats or arrogant or rude as all hell or just plain violently psychotic, or some combination of the above!

Yorihime and Toyohime are kind of neutral. They are racist, but they don't act on it and they leave you alone if you don't bother them.

Cosmic-Fusion said:
Personally I think the whole "She can't be beat" thing is ridiculous because of Yukari, who is basically a god among gods in Gensokyo. Her power can be summed up as reality warping. How do you beat that?

Reimu is not invincible or unbeatable. No one in their right mind thinks that. A lot of fans get that wrong. Canonically, Suika has beaten her, Tenshi has beaten her (and then destroyed her home), Aya has beaten her, Yorihime has beaten her, Yukari could probably beat her easily if she wanted to (though she might have to kill her before Fantasy Heaven activated unless her reality warping reaches someone who is technically attacking you from heaven itself), Shikieiki could crush Reimu, Yuyuko and Yukari at the same time by Yukari's own admission! Reimu wins when it counts most (ie - when Gensokyo would be in danger if she lost or if there is no one else left to defeat the big bad besides her) because she's the main heroine.

She's also a lot more reasonable, kind, respectful and diligent in the various manga than she is in the games for some bizarre reason (maybe threatening Gensokyo is her berzerk button), but blame that on ZUN who writes it all so damn inconsistently.

Cosmic-Fusion said:
Sure...instead of cheating and cheap drama, he'd have to deal with god-mode Mokou one-shotting people she has no business even beating.

Nice to see I'm not the only one who thought Team Okuu/Ran got ripped off hard! I'd debate her having no business beating Okuu or Ran one-on-one though, but, yeah, her steamrolling the both of them while Koishi did jack was BS!!

SpecterVonBaren said:
The only teams I like now are Team Moriya and Heaven & Sky Combo. Lost Servants doesn't really have much development for me to care about them (It seems everyone that wants them to keep going is just saying it because they want Sakuya to fight Remilia), Red 75% is boring, and Eternal Rivals deserves to be crushed like a tin can...

I wanted Sakuya vs Meiling. Since Meiling lost and Sakuya somehow didn't we are very likely gonna get the classic cheese master vs servant in the final.

Raigeki said:
I thought what happened was that their match ended in a tie, or indecisive.

Also. I LOVE Reimu, vote me down if you want.

post #719406 This one and the next couple. Basically, Yuugi and Orin give up their rematch with Lost Servants to let Tenshi and Okuu into the tournament. Or something.

I think they mostly did it to get back at the organizers for their super dickery to Satori and co.

Ryvian said:
BSOD Marisa. Fuck yeah!

I'm not sure what Marisa's calling as Reimu's bluff. Pretty sure a palm strike that could level a whole stage is hardly a bluff, or does it mean that Reimu from the previous page was implying she was gonna SPLAT them all if she continued?

I'd say, Reimu being at her limit is being called a bluff here...

Pyrolight said:
I wanted Sakuya vs Meiling. Since Meiling lost and Sakuya somehow didn't we are very likely gonna get the classic cheese master vs servant in the final.

So did I. I wanted to see Meiling beat Sakuya into the ground in front of a live audience. This tournament should have been Meiling's time to shine.

This is kinda ironic that barrier made to de-power some of stronger residents only made Reimu more powerful.

Still i want to see ReiMilia vs. Friendly fire. Whoever loses, we win (kinda)

OmniGman said:
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Well, that's debate material. From canon sources it looks like 90% of named Gensokyo residents are pretty chill and for the remaining 10% bitchiness is their appeal.

There really should be a forum to discuss fan material

OmniGman said:
Nice to see I'm not the only one who thought Team Okuu/Ran got ripped off hard! I'd debate her having no business beating Okuu or Ran one-on-one though, but, yeah, her steamrolling the both of them while Koishi did jack was BS!!

Yes, thank you for understanding. I hated that fight, and it almost turned me off to the series. Especially because everyone was hyping it up as the most even and intense match for sure. I think that the author just loves Mokou a lot, because no other fight except Yuugi & Komachi vs Iku & Tewi was that much of a stomp. You'd think Okuu and Ran were stage 1 bosses with that performance. But I digress. I don't really wanna start discussing another series in a comment section for an image of Tag Dream. It's just nice to see someone else who recognizes that...I love Okuu, damn it. >_>

As for the other stuff you said, yeah, most people in Gensokyo are assholes...but it's not as pronounced as with Reimu because, naturally, they don't appear as much. Reimu has far more opportunities to be a bitch and she more than delivers on that part. On the other hand, I think Okuu might be one of the nicer ones. After the events of SA, she actually seems to be a normal, if dumb, person. She's proud of her power but not really overly arrogant from what I've seen in Hisoutensoku. Her attitude in SA could be excused as being corrupted by power.

Also, what I said about Fantasy Heaven and Reimu being unbeatable is what ZUN himself said in the description of the card. That if it was a serious, non-danmaku fight, that Fantasy Heaven effectively makes Reimu invincible. But like I said, I still think Yukari could beat her. And I'm sure that Flandre and Yuyuko could too, by using their respective "instant death" powers BEFORE Reimu pulls out FH.

Goldva said:
To both Snarfoleptic and Cosmic-fusion:

Please read more into the actual character before pissing on her for being who she is - it'll do us all a favor.

I have. I've been reading a lot of analysis on Touhou,
trying to read about characters and events in the games.
I think the character I've read the most about would be
Reimu herself. The problem is that the internet is
flooded with Touhou stuff, and a lot of it is opinion.

I'd like to ask that you don't piss on me for being unable
to make sense of it all.

And as I said before...

I said:

Being overpowered and unbeatable is fine (if you
actually have a personality), but she's so...
apathetic about everything, including people.

I don't hate the OP factor, it's her personality
that rubs me the wrong way. If she could at least
emote a little...

To anyone else who has added to the discussion:

I think most of my confusion has been cleared up. From
all the stuff I read, I didn't think it was IMPOSSIBLE
for Reimu to lose, but it seemed implied that reality
would implode up its own asshole if she did.

I'm not trying to attack anyone for loving her, I was
just trying to offer my opinion of what I thought was
a stale character.

I just figured out another way that "You know you can't
win, right?" could be interpreted. It could have been
her expressing concern for someone who she could
potentially cause serious damage on. If that were the
case, I think I would look at her a little differently.

And I know most Touhous are arrogant and self-centered,
but that's what youkai are. You would think the humans
would prove to be better than them by showing at least a
little compassion.

If anyone still feels bad because I don't like Reimu, I'm
still looking into it. If you want to make fun of my
favorite characters in the meantime, here they are
in no particular order:

Cirno
Momiji
Suika
Shikieiki
Yukari/Ran/Chen
Sakuya and Meiling (am I allowed to like both?)
Mokou
Shou
Youmu
Yuyuko

... On a side note, is it bad form to upload your
own artwork here?

Ah, the berzerker miko was just an act to force them to concede (destroying the ring was real though)

Well, damn. Yuugi's out of it. Guess I need to root for Suika now.

28jfj said:
Wait what did Reimu not need anymore?

Ryvian said:
I'm not sure what Marisa's calling as Reimu's bluff.

I'm pretty sure these questions have the same answer, but damned if I know what it is.

Goldva said:
I still have to wonder if anyone here actually likes Reimu but me. You can hate her all you want, but please give a better justification on the matter other than "she's OP". Because that only makes the pandas sad.

I like Reimu! And I'm kind of creeped out by some of the things that have been said about her in these comment sections. "She has natural ability! That means she deserves to suffer!"

All right, Shirou, now you're just being a dick.

Zaku_Zelo said:
All right, Shirou, now you're just being a dick.

Now? Dei Shirou has been a dick since the first fight of this koma.

Zaku_Zelo said:
All right, Shirou, now you're just being a dick.

He's casting some charaters to be dicks.

Which makes things more interesting than everyone being a good sport and being realistic about the whole "this is just wrestling and not a pretense to see who can beat the shit out of the other person while rubbing it in their faces" thing.

Oh well. I'm fine with it as long as Reimu doesn't win the entire thing. This is supposed to be a match for everybody, not a Throw Stuff At Reimu And Watch Her Deflect It party.
And this way it'll be much more satisfying if/when she finally gets taken down.

It's okay, Marisa. You still got Alice, and Patchy, and Flan, and... oh, who am I kidding... Here's a big hug...

Man the Kappa are going to be crying.

Aren't they on the breaking point from just how many times they've had to rebuild? There might be a LONG delay because of the Kappa going either Loco or going on Strike.

Who's next round anyhow? Also go Okuu/Tenshi

Zaku_Zelo said:
Yeah, it's real interesting seeing Red 75% attacking twice in the entire match and winning.

That's poor writing more than anything else. They attacked more than that but it always happened off-screen because Reimu and Remilia weren't allowed to be shown doing anything until the end.

So speaking of "why bother"s, has anyone else noticed that not a single team that got a bye actually won their match? I guess the concept of a bye was just used to get rid of characters Shirou didn't know what do with, or something. Outside of the one team that DID manage to advance because both have shown different styles of broken gameplay and because Shirou's been dangling the Remi vs. Sakuya carrot since the very beginning.

It's also kind of amusing watching this match end this way and thinking back to what Achey said about the tournament not having enough heels. Now there are 3 heel teams left of 5 total, and the face team and tweener team are facing off against each other in the next round, with the tweener team possessing half the plot armor bestowed by the previously mentioned carrot.

Somehow, I don't think Shirou thought his cunning plan all the way through. Unless the circumstances of the recent earthquakes and nuclear worries made him change his mind and decide to book a Heavenly Sky win.

OmniGman said:

Reimu, Marisa, Cirno, Pathchouli, Remilia, Flandre, Letty (she lies to Sakuya about being responsible for the long winter and outright threatens to kill Reimu for absolutely no reason), Chen, Yuyuko, Yukari, Suika, a good chunk of the IN cast, Yuuka, Medicine, Aya, Sanae, Parsee, Okuu, Rinnousuke, and Nue are all troublemaking brats or arrogant or rude as all hell or just plain violently psychotic, or some combination of the above!

The problem is that the other characters that are selfish or antagonistic usually have some interesting quirks to themselves (Like Tenshi), funny (Like Cirno), or so content with their "darkness" (Like Yukari) that it's not a mark against them (Like complaining that a villain is the bad guy).

With Reimu though, it drives people away because she's not humorous, has no real quirks aside from being poor, and is supposed to be the hero fighting bad guys, so things like being boring and apathetic don't help endear her to anyone. I actually kind of like the fact that she's different from most heroes but at the same time it isn't doing her any favors with the fans when she's taken out of the context of hero playable character (Where someone can say nothing and still be a good character) and put into a story or comic where she needs to be able to entertain the audience, she's apathetic and doesn't care about what others think of her so she can't grow, she's not humorous so you can't laugh at her, and she's not heroic because her motives are keeping the status quo which means she only ever picks up her staff when someone upsets the balance so she's not actually trying to help anyone outside of those times. Add to this that she has plot armor and you get allot of aggravated people since it can mean that a boring and predictable ending can happen where no one feels satisfied.

Edit: SHIT! I just realized something! Marisa never went boom or anything like that! What if this isn't over yet? I don't mean that Kirisame Familiar wins but that Marisa suddenly goes nuts because of her power and starts fighting Reimu?!

SpecterVonBaren said:
The problem is that the other characters that are selfish or antagonistic usually have some interesting quirks to themselves (Like Tenshi), funny (Like Cirno), or so content with their "darkness" (Like Yukari) that it's not a mark against them (Like complaining that a villain is the bad guy).

With Reimu though, it drives people away because she's not humorous, has no real quirks aside from being poor, and is supposed to be the hero fighting bad guys, so things like being boring and apathetic don't help endear her to anyone. I actually kind of like the fact that she's different from most heroes but at the same time it isn't doing her any favors with the fans when she's taken out of the context of hero playable character (Where someone can say nothing and still be a good character) and put into a story or comic where she needs to be able to entertain the audience, she's apathetic and doesn't care about what others think of her so she can't grow, she's not humorous so you can't laugh at her, and she's not heroic because her motives are keeping the status quo which means she only ever picks up her staff when someone upsets the balance so she's not actually trying to help anyone outside of those times. Add to this that she has plot armor and you get allot of aggravated people since it can mean that a boring and predictable ending can happen where no one feels satisfied.

Thats mostly what Reimu has been exaggerated into by fanworks. She comes across differently in the official Three Fairies comics. She's nicer and takes the non-beating parts of her job more seriously. And she makes mistakes.

SpecterVonBaren said: Edit: SHIT! I just realized something! Marisa never went boom or anything like that! What if this isn't over yet? I don't mean that Kirisame Familiar wins but that Marisa suddenly goes nuts because of her power and starts fighting Reimu?!

I don't think there'd be much of a point to it by now. Red 75% has already won and going berserk will probably horribly injure Marisa if even moving is causing her pain and bleeding. Its far too late for an epic Hakkero'd Marisa/Reimu fight.

aselus1111 said:
Well hope they depower Reimu just a bit otherwise this will be like reading silent sinner in blue brrrrr... final thoughts it was a Good match

The only thing I see wrong with this is that people think a fighter who's been alive for over ten thousand years, which gives them more then ample time to fully train in their powers and fully train their skills is OP. Yorihime is what Reimu could be if she bothered to fucking practice.

Ryvian said:
BSOD Marisa. Fuck yeah!

I'm not sure what Marisa's calling as Reimu's bluff. Pretty sure a palm strike that could level a whole stage is hardly a bluff, or does it mean that Reimu from the previous page was implying she was gonna SPLAT them all if she continued?

Reimu didn't pulverize the ring, SHE UTTERLY DESTROYED IT. There is nothing but scraps and splinters left over.

Mr.Obake said:
Hysteria mode, ON

Meltdown in 3... 2...

randomness said:
I don't think there'd be much of a point to it by now. Red 75% has already won and going berserk will probably horribly injure Marisa if even moving is causing her pain and bleeding. Its far too late for an epic Hakkero'd Marisa/Reimu fight.

Does Marisa need a point to lose control now?

No, it won't be Marisa in control at all.

This page amuses me, good way to end the match. I get the feeling she put all she had into blowing up the ring and bluffed going nuts because she knew Marisa wouldn't risk any of them getting hurt.

Skribulous said:
Does Marisa need a point to lose control now?

No, it won't be Marisa in control at all.

There wouldn't be much of a narrative point is what I meant.

Another round down. At this point I'm rooting for Okuu/Tenshi and betting on Sanae/Suwako. I really, really want to see the former beat the shit out of Friendly Fire.

>Tag Tournament stuff
She's not a complete weakling, not with her fire powers, and while she's a "weak" (i.e. not as strong as Destro-Loli or the eternally 17 nigh-god) extra boss, she's no slouch in combat. The artist assumed that her overall ability was on par with Ran's and gave her 100% fire resist. Guess what Okuu uses mainly? Fire element attacks. And if Ran was actually fighting Mokou she'd do better but she choose to take a rather savage hit for Okuu. Also while Okuu is powerful, she's not particularly experienced or used to dealing with things that can hit back like that.

All in all, GTT Mokou is far less hax than TTD Mokou (able to increase her strength to rival Eiki's out of the blue)

randomness said:
Thats mostly what Reimu has been exaggerated into by fanworks. She comes across differently in the official Three Fairies comics. She's nicer and takes the non-beating parts of her job more seriously. And she makes mistakes.

Too bad most so called fans don't read such materials.

angrybull said:
So did I. I wanted to see Meiling beat Sakuya into the ground in front of a live audience. This tournament should have been Meiling's time to shine.

This times infinity, but alas, Shirou played the "Meiling joke" card and pitted her against some powerful plot armor. Well at least GTT Meiling's lasting longer and with a better showing.

Deathmatcher said:
Now? Dei Shirou has been a dick since the first fight of this koma.

He's been a dick for even longer than that. What else do you call Nazrin eating the Akis' food? Not to mention how be basically blew them up. He also jokeified Reisen and Youmu (youmu at least should have put up a better fight without tricks), then heel-fied them afterwards. And there's the jokeification of Meiling.

Honestly the team that's easiest cheered for is Heaven Sky as its members have been jerked around by the politics and in it for the fun of it. No plot armor, just Okuu's powerful attacks and Tenshi's celestial endurance. I wonder how they'll take on Suika (has both strength and durability to spare) and Sakuya with her time barrier.

StriderTuna said:
>Tag Tournament stuff
She's not a complete weakling, not with her fire powers, and while she's a "weak" (i.e. not as strong as Destro-Loli or the eternally 17 nigh-god) extra boss, she's no slouch in combat. The artist assumed that her overall ability was on par with Ran's and gave her 100% fire resist. Guess what Okuu uses mainly? Fire element attacks. And if Ran was actually fighting Mokou she'd do better but she choose to take a rather savage hit for Okuu. Also while Okuu is powerful, she's not particularly experienced or used to dealing with things that can hit back like that.

Not to mention that Mokou wasn't exactly alone. Koishi helped her out by maneuvering Okuu into hitting Ran point-blank in the face with a very powerful shot.

randomness said:
I don't think there'd be much of a point to it by now. Red 75% has already won and going berserk will probably horribly injure Marisa if even moving is causing her pain and bleeding. Its far too late for an epic Hakkero'd Marisa/Reimu fight.

It could put Reimu in traction and put doubt into whether Red 75% will be able to compete in time. It could lead to Reimu showing she cares for her friend by fighting her but also wanting her out of this rage mode because it could mean her dying. It could mean a mass uprising from the audience as it's interpreted to mean they should eliminate the strong that has been keeping them down. It could portray Red 75% in a better light since they rebuked a "sore loser". The possibilities are there so long as you look for them.

StriderTuna said:
This times infinity, but alas, Shirou played the "Meiling joke" card and pitted her against some powerful plot armor. Well at least GTT Meiling's lasting longer and with a better showing.

He's been a dick for even longer than that. What else do you call Nazrin eating the Akis' food? Not to mention how be basically blew them up. He also jokeified Reisen and Youmu (youmu at least should have put up a better fight without tricks), then heel-fied them afterwards. And there's the jokeification of Meiling.

Honestly the team that's easiest cheered for is Heaven Sky as its members have been jerked around by the politics and in it for the fun of it. No plot armor, just Okuu's powerful attacks and Tenshi's celestial endurance. I wonder how they'll take on Suika (has both strength and durability to spare) and Sakuya with her time barrier.

Honestly guys, I don't like some of the results in this comic either but this is just being snobish and ungrateful. Sure we have things we don't like but there is so much more in this comic that's been good that to just pan all of it because 15% of it is questionable is just childish.

Well heres hoping that that Mima's take down Reimu plan isn't just for this match.
Anyway I will not be suprised if Marisa goes suicidal-ish and depressed because now she will feel all of her hard work wont get here to Reimu's level, like in another comic here (Name alludes me)

Magus said:
Not to mention that Mokou wasn't exactly alone. Koishi helped her out by maneuvering Okuu into hitting Ran point-blank in the face with a very powerful shot.

You don't understand. Just Mokou winning is the reason to accuse her of hax. Haven't you seen, like, 99% of doujins with Mokou in it?

Deshter said:
You don't understand. Just Mokou winning is the reason to accuse her of hax. Haven't you seen, like, 99% of doujins with Mokou in it?

Sir, are you serious? Winning against Okuu is hax, now? I don't think you understand the reason behind her powers at all.

SHE IS A LOW LEVEL YOUKAI. The only reason Okuu is ultra powerful is because she ate a god that Kanako gave it to her. She doesn't know how to fully use her powers. She doesn't know what to do with that with perfection. Just to quote REISEN of all people in Hisoutensoku...

Reisen said:
Nuclear energy...
Such a fearsome power, I'm glad that the user is a moron.

Case and point. Okuu is not all-mighty. She probably forgot that people can hit her on the back of her head while she's not looking. Mokou did that. Oops.

Now, back to Tag Dream, because this is Tag Dream.

If... And I mean IF Reimu realizes that Shinki and Mima actually gave Marisa the idea to insert the Hakkero on her body and threatening to make her self-destruct, if this Reimu even gets to the point of caring for Marisa at all, I don't think she's going to get past them without saying something. I mean, she does have intuition, doesn't she? Oi!

SpecterVonBaren said:

Honestly guys, I don't like some of the results in this comic either but this is just being snobish and ungrateful. Sure we have things we don't like but there is so much more in this comic that's been good that to just pan all of it because 15% of it is questionable is just childish.

I was just remarking on the artist's tendency to be a dick, that's all.

Deshter said:
You don't understand. Just Mokou winning is the reason to accuse her of hax. Haven't you seen, like, 99% of doujins with Mokou in it?

In fairness, Mokou is often depicted being badass and generally nice to people that aren't Kaguya. I find it fairly understandable for people to treat her as being stronger than she may actually be with that type of portrayal being popular.

randomness said:
Thats mostly what Reimu has been exaggerated into by fanworks. She comes across differently in the official Three Fairies comics. She's nicer and takes the non-beating parts of her job more seriously. And she makes mistakes.

She also gets scolded for those mistakes too and she isn't as poor as people portray her as since she does actually receive donations at least from Yukari.

Welps, with Heaven and Hell being the only team to root for for me now, I'll just have to wait and see what happens with the series. Sadly I'm not so confident in how far they'll get except for how them being the only good guy team left being the strongest bit of 'plot armor' they have.

SpecterVonBaren said:
It could put Reimu in traction and put doubt into whether Red 75% will be able to compete in time. It could lead to Reimu showing she cares for her friend by fighting her but also wanting her out of this rage mode because it could mean her dying. It could mean a mass uprising from the audience as it's interpreted to mean they should eliminate the strong that has been keeping them down. It could portray Red 75% in a better light since they rebuked a "sore loser". The possibilities are there so long as you look for them.

Considering that with Eirin in the building, Sanae could get hit so hard she was at risk of dying and still managed to up and about to participate in the same fight before it was over, I think any medical crisis will be cheap drama.

And here's how we'll know if Reimu cares for her friend: if she doesn't hold a grudge for them hitting her in the crotch with a wooden horse.

Note to self:
[sarcasm][/sarcasm] tag is there for a reason.

oh wait.

It was obvious that the fight ended with something like this. After all Red 75% handed a script to Yukari and Tewi seemed to be plotting something with them as well.

Next is Tenshi/Okuu vs Sakuya/Suika to see which is the last team to advance to the semi-finals. I suspect the only ways to end this fight is either Sakuya winning after finally working together with her teammate or losing the same way as Yuuka.

Also, my favourite character left in the fight is Kaguya, but looking at the comments, it seems I'm the only one rooting for her and Mokou. The Kappas are on my side though as Kaguya/Mokou were the only ones to advance to the semi-finals without the ring being destroyed^^

Zanny said:
It was obvious that the fight ended with something like this. After all Red 75% handed a script to Yukari and Tewi seemed to be plotting something with them as well.

Next is Tenshi/Okuu vs Sakuya/Suika to see which is the last team to advance to the semi-finals. I suspect the only ways to end this fight is either Sakuya winning after finally working together with her teammate or losing the same way as Yuuka.

Also, my favourite character left in the fight is Kaguya, but looking at the comments, it seems I'm the only one rooting for her and Mokou. The Kappas are on my side though as Kaguya/Mokou were the only ones to advance to the semi-finals without the ring being destroyed^^

You are not the only one.
For me, though, it's more of a heel heat.

Zanny said:
It was obvious that the fight ended with something like this. After all Red 75% handed a script to Yukari and Tewi seemed to be plotting something with them as well.

Next is Tenshi/Okuu vs Sakuya/Suika to see which is the last team to advance to the semi-finals. I suspect the only ways to end this fight is either Sakuya winning after finally working together with her teammate or losing the same way as Yuuka.

Also, my favourite character left in the fight is Kaguya, but looking at the comments, it seems I'm the only one rooting for her and Mokou. The Kappas are on my side though as Kaguya/Mokou were the only ones to advance to the semi-finals without the ring being destroyed^^

First. Tenshi and Okuu aren't fighting next, they're going to have to fight two matches in a row starting with Lost Servants, all this will happen in the semi-finals, the fighting it done for today unless Marisa goes nuts. Second, Lotus Star White Tiger and Heaven & Sky Combo also didn't destroy the ring at all in their fight.

28jfj said:
Well heres hoping that that Mima's take down Reimu plan isn't just for this match.
Anyway I will not be suprised if Marisa goes suicidal-ish and depressed because now she will feel all of her hard work wont get here to Reimu's level, like in another comic here (Name alludes me)

I hope there's a second tournament after this one, in which Mima and Shinki participate (and/or Yuka participate again, without handicapping herself), forcing Yukari and Kanako to participate as well. And I'd like to see how Yorihime and Vivit (assuming that the makers of the Seihou series wouldn't sue the artist for that) would fare as well. And one more thing: Byakuren herself beating Tenshi and Okuu, with any partner that isn't Shou.

And also one more thing: if Marisa's going to represent strategy and/or magicians, either you have your plan fully thought out, or you don't step in. Even Byakuren, handicapped *coughShoucough* as she was, came closer to winning than Marisa's team did. Even though she didn't rely on strategy, she made a better representation of magicians than Marisa's flawed, ineffective, incomplete strategy could.

shadowbringer said:
I hope there's a second tournament after this one, in which Mima and Shinki participate (and/or Yuka participate again, without handicapping herself), forcing Yukari and Kanako to participate as well. And I'd like to see how Yorihime and Vivit (assuming that the makers of the Seihou series wouldn't sue the artist for that) would fare as well. And one more thing: Byakuren herself beating Tenshi and Okuu, with any partner that isn't Shou.

And also one more thing: if Marisa's going to represent strategy and/or magicians, either you have your plan fully thought out, or you don't step in. Even Byakuren, handicapped *coughShoucough* as she was, came closer to winning than Marisa's team did. Even though she didn't rely on strategy, she made a better representation of magicians than Marisa's flawed, ineffective, incomplete strategy could.

Byakuren isn't really a magician in the same way that Marisa is though. Byakuren is sort of part Miko part Magician.

Yes... because it was totally because of Shou that Byakuren lost, wasn't it because Byakuren couldn't last in the ring much longer that the fight had to be finished quickly? I don't hate Byakuren but stop claiming she could easily beat Okuu and Tenshi.

Zanny said:
Also, my favourite character left in the fight is Kaguya, but looking at the comments, it seems I'm the only one rooting for her and Mokou. The Kappas are on my side though as Kaguya/Mokou were the only ones to advance to the semi-finals without the ring being destroyed^^

I'm rooting for them mainly because Mokou is on the team. She's one of my favorites, plus she and Keine got totally screwjobbed by Aya in the first round.

SpecterVonBaren said:
Yes... because it was totally because of Shou that Byakuren lost, wasn't it because Byakuren couldn't last in the ring much longer that the fight had to be finished quickly? I don't hate Byakuren but stop claiming she could easily beat Okuu and Tenshi.

Shou didn't hold Okuu well enough, and Okuu reduced the damage from Byakuren's backbreaking attack at Tenshi. Not so far from that moment, Shou refuses to take advantage of Okuu's injured arms, further reducing their chances of winning. So, if someone with that much power like Byakuren couldn't do anything to Tenshi's tankiness, even with the time-limit disadvantage Byakuren had as a magic-user, it's hard to see any attacks that can overcome such defense. Not something very interesting to watch at all.

Goldva said:
SHE IS A LOW LEVEL YOUKAI. The only reason Okuu is ultra powerful is because she ate a god that Kanako gave it to her. She doesn't know how to fully use her powers. She doesn't know what to do with that with perfection. Just to quote REISEN of all people in Hisoutensoku...
Case and point. Okuu is not all-mighty. She probably forgot that people can hit her on the back of her head while she's not looking. Mokou did that. Oops.

Okuu is a birdbrain, but she does have full control of her powers. If she didn't she'd be leaking radiation all through the Hell of blazing fire and she'd never be able to use her powers to make spellcards. And she WAS a low level Yokai, then she devoured the essence of a GOD and now she is at best another S class. She is insanely powerful now and when given the time to directly focus on using her powers without distraction she is terrifying.

Magus said:
Not to mention that Mokou wasn't exactly alone. Koishi helped her out by maneuvering Okuu into hitting Ran point-blank in the face with a very powerful shot.

also not to mention Mokou had more combat experience than Okuu (Mokou pointed out that Okuu's nuke attacks were slow -- as in, slow startup), and that at the end of their fight, both Koishi and Mokou were really beaten up and said that their first match was already too tough. Plus, Okuu and Ran couldn't work together properly, so Ran had to improvise, which didn't work. It was Ran doing the most analysis, and she even failed to communicate with Okuu. It was also Ran that handled Koishi while keeping Mokou busy with her two oni, and she somehow was able to react to Koishi's misaiming Okuu's cannon as well.

Ran wasn't useless, but they couldn't work together, and Mokou+Koishi almost get defeated as well due to Ran countering Koishi. Okuu's made some mistakes which Mokou have exploited (the first one forcing Ran to tank Mokou's attack which was meant for Okuu, the second when not expecting Mokou's counterattack, while Okuu was raging about Ran being knocked out, while Mokou was experienced enough to think of a way out of her situation, under stress.

SpecterVonBaren said:
First. Tenshi and Okuu aren't fighting next, they're going to have to fight two matches in a row starting with Lost Servants, all this will happen in the semi-finals, the fighting it done for today unless Marisa goes nuts.

Oh, my mistake, thought they would bring the fight at the end of this round, since one of the teams has a big advantage in the semi-finals like this.

SpecterVonBaren said:
Second, Lotus Star White Tiger and Heaven & Sky Combo also didn't destroy the ring at all in their fight.

Technically they haven't advanced to the semi-finals yet. And Okuu was the first to ever make the Kappas repair the ring when she attacked all teams to enter the tournament.

cd_young said:
Okuu is a birdbrain, but she does have full control of her powers. If she didn't she'd be leaking radiation all through the Hell of blazing fire and she'd never be able to use her powers to make spellcards. And she WAS a low level Yokai, then she devoured the essence of a GOD and now she is at best another S class. She is insanely powerful now and when given the time to directly focus on using her powers without distraction she is terrifying.

She's more an A rank as she has yet to really hit the absurd power that characterizes Flandre, Yukari, Suikia, Yuuka, and possibly Yuugi.

shadowbringer said:
Shou didn't hold Okuu well enough, and Okuu reduced the damage from Byakuren's backbreaking attack at Tenshi. Not so far from that moment, Shou refuses to take advantage of Okuu's injured arms, further reducing their chances of winning. So, if someone with that much power like Byakuren couldn't do anything to Tenshi's tankiness, even with the time-limit disadvantage Byakuren had as a magic-user, it's hard to see any attacks that can overcome such defense. Not something very interesting to watch at all.

Okuu's arms weren't really injured, she just thought they were. It's true that Lotus Tiger were particularly honorable, but I think if they went all out, they'd lose out in morals, not something Byakuren would find acceptable.

Magus said:
I'm rooting for them mainly because Mokou is on the team. She's one of my favorites, plus she and Keine got totally screwjobbed by Aya in the first round.

And then Shirou decided to make her an incompetent moron.

SpecterVonBaren said:
First. Tenshi and Okuu aren't fighting next, they're going to have to fight two matches in a row starting with Lost Servants, all this will happen in the semi-finals, the fighting it done for today unless Marisa goes nuts. Second, Lotus Star White Tiger and Heaven & Sky Combo also didn't destroy the ring at all in their fight.

I'd be more worried about Shinki going nuts.

StriderTuna said:
She's more an A rank as she has yet to really hit the absurd power that characterizes Flandre, Yukari, Suikia, Yuuka, and possibly Yuugi.

You thing being able to throw Stars, as in celestial bodies that are hundreds of thousands of degrees hot and spewing enough radiation to clean earth of all living life is A class? Remelia's a Vampire (ignore her nebulous fate control, and look at her race) and she's an S class.

cd_young said:
You thing being able to throw Stars, as in celestial bodies that are hundreds of thousands of degrees hot and spewing enough radiation to clean earth of all living life is A class? Remelia's a Vampire (ignore her nebulous fate control, and look at her race) and she's an S class.

I consider Remilia overall an A class. And Okuu has never been seen doing anything truly that destructive in most fanon or any canon, sure she fired sun-like danmaku, but actual suns would fry people just by being nearby. And again I mention Okuu's birdbrain tendencies, which I consider a demerit to her overall combat ability. Now if she were to mature and lessen that tendency then I might reconsider.

Suika could easily manipulate the density of such things to a less harmful extend, Yukari could gap them to somewhere else. Yuuka and Flandre would just blow it up.

StriderTuna said:
I consider Remilia overall an A class. And Okuu has never been seen doing anything truly that destructive in most fanon or any canon, sure she fired sun-like danmaku, but actual suns would fry people just by being nearby. And again I mention Okuu's birdbrain tendencies, which I consider a demerit to her overall combat ability. Now if she were to mature and lessen that tendency then I might reconsider.

Suika could easily manipulate the density of such things to a less harmful extend, Yukari could gap them to somewhere else. Yuuka and Flandre would just blow it up.

How do you blow up an explosion though? Or grasp the idea that radiation is all around you an is eroding your cells in time to even do anything about it? It is nuclear fusion that Okuu has the power over and in canon works, such as the first fighting game, she was shown to be mercilessly efficient and straightforward. If you're going to bring in canon elements for the other fighters then remember to do so for Okuu as well.

SpecterVonBaren said:
How do you blow up an explosion though? Or grasp the idea that radiation is all around you an is eroding your cells in time to even do anything about it?

With a bigger explosion in the opposite direction from you externally or possibly with an implosion at its center perhaps although that's not longer an explosion. Or hell, hit it with equal or greater force to cancel it out. Yeah, that's a shit ton of force needed but I'm just answering you with regards to that, not saying that other characters are fully capable of it. Maybe Yuuka if she's as powerful as most believe.

And if the radiation and heat were all that bad, we wouldn't have even been able to fight her in SA, let alone actually beat her. If we had to care about all that then grazing those suns would have been a bad idea and we should have just run away. We can say Reimu has Hakurei hax but Marisa is an ordinary magician. There's not much we can argue on how she survived it but if we were to say that her supports had found some way to allow Marisa to survive the radiation or say that Marisa had her own magic ready for such an occasion, then there's already a handful of characters that can do something about it.

What do you mean by mercilessly efficient and straightforward though? In her fighting style or something else? I won't say Utsuho isn't good at fighting or doing things she's focused on doing but all the power in the world may not be enough to save you from being outsmarted as Batman has often been shown doing. It doesn't even take that much since after Sanae's fight with her, she had completely forgotten what she was doing in the first place.

Mastine said:
how powerful Flandre is depends on interpretation of her power over destruction. Can she simply blow up things by hitting their weak point or does she make it so her target ceases to exist?

canon Flandre can destroy falling meteors from within her basement.

canon Yorihime can summon Amaterasu, who owns Yatagarasu (her pet). (not to mention sending bullets back to their senders, cutting through Master Spark, reflecting Master Spark -- the eating Marisa's precious cookies was due to terrain advantage, so I'm not counting it)

canon Kanako... how did she ever get to trap Yatagarasu, on the first place?

Just voted five comments back up after someone's downvoting spree. Look, whoever you are, trying to cover up my comments' existence is not going to make me suddenly share your hatred for Reimu.

Mastine said:
there were once 10 sun crows. 9 were killed leaving one. So Kanako found the corpse of one of the dead ones I guess.

That's chinese myth.

Mastine said:
how powerful Flandre is depends on interpretation of her power over destruction. Can she simply blow up things by hitting their weak point or does she make it so her target ceases to exist?

She's also generally hinted to have greater magical and physical strength than her sister, i.e. even without her ability, she could do quite some damage.

cd_young said:
That's chinese myth.

Which Japanese folklore has been known to borrow from.

cd_young said:
That's chinese myth.

So (for example) the inhabitants of the Scarlet Devil Mansion are based from Japanese folklore? ZUN is clearly borrowing elements from myths and stories from other cultures.

Skribulous said:
So (for example) the inhabitants of the Scarlet Devil Mansion are based from Japanese folklore? ZUN is clearly borrowing elements from myths and stories from other cultures.

I was pointing out the Yatagrasu <> Huino(the sun birds). I'm not saying the Yata isn't based on them I was pointing out the myth used was incorrect.

>everyone cant accept that the main character won
deal with it reimu plot armour you can always wait for Player 2 miko to steal the spotlight.

jasokun said:
>everyone cant accept that the main character won
deal with it reimu plot armour you can always wait for Player 2 miko to steal the spotlight.

Well this whole "fight" basically boiled down to the following:

"The weak, not matter how skilled will remain weak in the presence of the strong."

It's more or less stating the sheer imbalance of the stratification of strength in this take of the Touhou setting. Reimu is naturally gifted, while Marisa was a normal human who worked to gain her powers. Reimu never needed to train at all, she was naturally powerful.

Remelia was born a Vampire, one of the strongest Yokai species. Nitori, while mechanically gifted and intelligent, was born a Kappa, one of the weaker Yokai species.

Remelia and Reimu wasted their time before the tournament and between matches doing jack all, or Reimu abusing Remelia into being her wife. Nitori and Marisa spent every waking moment training with Hiriji, Yuka and Mima. All that training meant nothing, since Reimu and Remelia were stronger then those two.

EVEN THOUGH, they pressed every advantage they could in the fight.

EVEN THOUGH they planed out their combat strategy.

EVEN THOUGH they had a clear advantage for most of the match.

The reason they lost? Reimu and Remelia were stronger then them.

And what's worse, this fight is an utter inversion of the last one where the one being who's STRONGER THEN THE GODS OF GENSOKYO COMBINED lost to two undying humans. (one's a lunarian, but she's close enough to count.)

So did someone assassinate Shirou for his decision-making or what?

cd_young said:
Well this whole "fight" basically boiled down to the following:

"The weak, not matter how skilled will remain weak in the presence of the strong."

It's more or less stating the sheer imbalance of the stratification of strength in this take of the Touhou setting. Reimu is naturally gifted, while Marisa was a normal human who worked to gain her powers. Reimu never needed to train at all, she was naturally powerful.

Remelia was born a Vampire, one of the strongest Yokai species. Nitori, while mechanically gifted and intelligent, was born a Kappa, one of the weaker Yokai species.

Remelia and Reimu wasted their time before the tournament and between matches doing jack all, or Reimu abusing Remelia into being her wife. Nitori and Marisa spent every waking moment training with Hiriji, Yuka and Mima. All that training meant nothing, since Reimu and Remelia were stronger then those two.

EVEN THOUGH, they pressed every advantage they could in the fight.

EVEN THOUGH they planed out their combat strategy.

EVEN THOUGH they had a clear advantage for most of the match.

The reason they lost? Reimu and Remelia were stronger then them.

And what's worse, this fight is an utter inversion of the last one where the one being who's STRONGER THEN THE GODS OF GENSOKYO COMBINED lost to two undying humans. (one's a lunarian, but she's close enough to count.)

I don't think "Using whatever means to drop them" really counts as a real plan. The ghost/rabbit team had a better plan than that. The difference is the sheer numbers of tricks and the tenacity that Kirisame Familia had.

Kilgamayan said:
So did someone assassinate Shirou for his decision-making or what?

Ja ja man that was a good one but i belive that he/she is troubled about the path that his/her comic is going as an example just read the reviews here I can see that a lot of people are not very happy about the result(and not only this one The Sikieiki Yamaxanadu and Flandre/Meiling battles had similar comments) because of plot armor let's hope that plot is good enough (But IF this was a fight made to just create an excuse to see Shinki and/or Mima battle I'll stop reading it for sure)

Kilgamayan said:
So did someone assassinate Shirou for his decision-making or what?

I vaguely recall him taking time off after the end of other big fights. He might just be taking the time to storyboard or going on a spiritual voyage to tap into the true essence of Touhou. By binge drinking.

Looking back, it's really too bad that Mima didn't take over as Marisa's partner, like Nitori asked her to back in post #562886.

jasokun said:
>everyone cant accept that the main character won
deal with it reimu plot armour you can always wait for Player 2 miko to steal the spotlight.

As long as it doesn't happen in the finals. If the only options to win the tournament are hax miko 1 and hax miko 2, that's pretty damn boring.

BTW Marisa's a main character too. Didn't help her.

Magus said:
Looking back, it's really too bad that Mima didn't take over as Marisa's partner, like Nitori asked her to back in post #562886.

As long as it doesn't happen in the finals. If the only options to win the tournament are hax miko 1 and hax miko 2, that's pretty damn boring.

BTW Marisa's a main character too. Didn't help her.

From what I've seen in alot of the combat, "power" is equal to "stage."

The only time I didn't see it was in the very first match where an Ex midboss and EX boss lost to a Stage 3 boss and a stage 5 boss.

this may be the worst comments page in history guys

p.s. you can interpret the touhous however you want, if your favorite character didn't win you can probably find a doujin where they do! let's get back to the core of touhou: getting drunk and blowing the shit out of each other

yall need to go read pageratta's battle royale so you can see rumia kill reimu with a relvover and just, you know, let off some steam

No one has clearly explained what it is that Reimu "doesn't need anymore" or how she bluffed Marisa.

*having a ragegasm*

Seriously, there should at least be something against THIS!

Come back to this page only to find that people are trying to justify Mokou being able to one-shot Ran and Okuu.

Geez, I didn't realize that Mokou was as absurdly overrated as Flandre. Though even more so because at least Flandre is canonically extremely powerful. People here honestly think a mere human should be able to one hit KO someone with the power of the sun, and a Kyuubi. Welp...nothing for it.

Also, to whoever made that comment like "Mokou has fire resist", let me tell you...I laugh at you. So, Mokou has "fire resist" and yet Utsuho, a HELL raven with the power of the god of the SUN, doesn't? WHAT? If anyone is fit to be immune to fire and heat, it's Utsuho. She PERSONIFIES heat.

Cosmic-Fusion said:
Come back to this page only to find that people are trying to justify Mokou being able to one-shot Ran and Okuu.

Geez, I didn't realize that Mokou was as absurdly overrated as Flandre. Though even more so because at least Flandre is canonically extremely powerful. People here honestly think a mere human should be able to one hit KO someone with the power of the sun, and a Kyuubi. Welp...nothing for it.

Also, to whoever made that comment like "Mokou has fire resist", let me tell you...I laugh at you. So, Mokou has "fire resist" and yet Utsuho, a HELL raven with the power of the god of the SUN, doesn't? WHAT? If anyone is fit to be immune to fire and heat, it's Utsuho. She PERSONIFIES heat.

Utsuho more then personifies heat, which is a simple chemical reaction. She personifies Fission, a high stage chemical reaction. Which is heat, energy and radiation.

To be extra nerdy, let me use a One Piece comparison.

She is Admiral Akainu to Moku's Portagus D. Ace.

OmniGman said:
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The freaking truth man!

Ryvian said:
BSOD Marisa. Fuck yeah!

I'm not sure what Marisa's calling as Reimu's bluff. Pretty sure a palm strike that could level a whole stage is hardly a bluff, or does it mean that Reimu from the previous page was implying she was gonna SPLAT them all if she continued?

Most of you have probably already realized this, but I believe that the "bluff" in question was the fact that Reimu wasn't using a fraction of her power. She had just feigned going all out in order to make Marissa surrender. In order to make her believe that she accomplished something.

I understand that most people here are hating Red 75%, but the things that Marissa did during this match made me cringe. If Reimu actually crushed Marissa while they were both fighting on fair terms,(y'know, just Marissa and her will vs Reimu and her godlyness) then I would have despised Red 75%.

Unfortunately, Marissa had to go and use every dirty trick in the book, all for the sake of a win. Reflecting on that, I see why Reimu treated her so bluntly.(that wooden horse must've SUCKED) I also believed that Reimu was concerned for her friend before the match started, and tried to get her to back out before something like this happened.

I mean, a powerless person fighting honorably against powerful forces is admirable. It creates respect among fans, and among characters in the story.

but a powerless person using every dirty trick in the book creates resent. It's like Jagi in Hokuto no ken, or Olga from asura's wrath, or Hiruma Kihei from Ruruoni Kenshin. In this battle, both mains made me sick to my stomach.

I am now officially on Tenshi/Okuu and Kaguya/Mokou's side. As B*cthy as Kaguya is, she and Mokou make a Unique team. Their team-killing antics actually made me amused. If tenshi/okuu were to fight them, Then it would be a dirty-playing team vs an honorable team. Tenshi and Okuu would have a huge disadvantage, and the match would be exciting to watch. I look forward to the future...

F.I.A said:

No, Marisa. Don't say that. You'll turn into a witch as fast as a certain blue-haired girl

But really, as I said before, I don't mind who win this round, since it got me entertained with at least a Muscle Spark. Though now I'm wondering who'll be able to take on the castle of white red here.

Edit: Future speculations.
- Patchouli will most probably serve as seconds for Sakuya's team.
- Flandre will be enjoying some time with Sanae during the free time.

Of course, it's the wildest dream I'll have for this series, but it's to happen
Remilia is beaten rather badly to further participate. Reimu then formed a team with Marisa as the Machineguns

nah men, remilia > B*tchmarisa
even with all the traps they used they were unable to win, pathetic.
it shows that Marisa is just a useless.
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and reimu and b*tchmarisa will not fight together cose this series stopped.