He kind of was one. Unfamiliarity with old ships and their exact capabilities was forgivable, but he was too arrogant and too confident in tech advantage. This was a highly nonstandard situation and he failed to adapt due to his preconceptions. Simply too inflexible.
If I were to level one criticism against this guy, it's that he let the enemy vessels get too close. He had a speed advantage over every enemy vessel with the possible exception of Spence and his radars also gave a pretty decisive detection advantage. If he had conducted a fighting retreat, he would have forced the enemy to spread out to chase him down and while Spence might have been able to catch up, Mr. Sea Sparrow and Mr. Harpoon would not have been her friend. He also wouldn't have had to deal with Akagi's aircraft and Musashi simultaneously. Akagi-chan did seriously gimp her striking range when switching to the triple-flight deck loadout so after dealing with Spence and Akagi-chan's aircraft, he could have closed in and either knocked out Akagi-chan with numerous Harpoon strikes or blasted Musashi/FdG with multiple SAM shots to the bridge while staying out of gunnery range, depending on which unlucky sod he spotted first. Instead, he ended up facing all of them at once and paid the price for it.
If I were to level one criticism against this guy, it's that he let the enemy vessels get too close. He had a speed advantage over every enemy vessel with the possible exception of Spence and his radars also gave a pretty decisive detection advantage. If he had conducted a fighting retreat, he would have forced the enemy to spread out to chase him down and while Spence might have been able to catch up, Mr. Sea Sparrow and Mr. Harpoon would not have been her friend. He also wouldn't have had to deal with Akagi's aircraft and Musashi simultaneously. Akagi-chan did seriously gimp her striking range when switching to the triple-flight deck loadout so after dealing with Spence and Akagi-chan's aircraft, he could have closed in and either knocked out Akagi-chan with numerous Harpoon strikes or blasted Musashi/FdG with multiple SAM shots to the bridge while staying out of gunnery range, depending on which unlucky sod he spotted first. Instead, he ended up facing all of them at once and paid the price for it.
This is mostly correct, except he and Amagi-chan didn't have the speed advantage. Believe it or not, the Yamato-class can outrun a Zumwalt or Arleigh Burke and that's without even cross-connecting boilers. Certainly the modern-day destroyers could easily out-maneuver Akagi-chan and company, but not outrun them.
It's completely reasonable to simply assume that modern-day destroyers are going to be faster than mid-century battleships and carriers, but that actually isn't the case. Not when it came to the Axis, anyway. They didn't have the access to resources that the Allies had; and the Japanese Empire knew that overtaking the Pacific would require placing a premium on the necessity of speed. Germany had a similar problem -- if they wanted to dominate the Atlantic, they had two choices: through the channel or around Scapa Flow. (If only Bismarck and Eugen sortied with Graf Zeppelin, what a different world we would exist in today.) The only way through or past these two deadly pylons at the time was speed. (Germany tried to disable the threat of Scapa Flow back in WWI. It didn't go well for Germany, but in all fairness, it didn't go all that well for the Royal Navy either. Warspite barely made it back to port from that one intact.)
These days it's not really all that necessary for any sort of ship to haul that much ass, even though America's carriers are (IIRC) quite capable of doing so. Destroyers aren't the up-close-and-personal vanguard they used to be, either.
He kind of was one. Unfamiliarity with old ships and their exact capabilities was forgivable, but he was too arrogant and too confident in tech advantage. This was a highly nonstandard situation and he failed to adapt due to his preconceptions. Simply too inflexible.
something something diesel-electric subs something something winning war games against nuclear carrier group something something
No, but for real -- it does crack me up the US lost 6 war games against sweden's diesel electric submarine
and oh yeah, 40 years ago it happened as well when the NRP Barracuda also defeated the USS Eisenhower.
The question is what tactics was Amagi-chan using that seemed familiar?
That's purposefully ambiguous, because there's only so much detail I can impart through a 4-koma format. The important detail here is that whatever tactics were enacted, that Musashi recognized them but can't quite place where from.
This is mostly correct, except he and Amagi-chan didn't have the speed advantage. Believe it or not, the Yamato-class can outrun a Zumwalt or Arleigh Burke and that's without even cross-connecting boilers. Certainly the modern-day destroyers could easily out-maneuver Akagi-chan and company, but not outrun them.
What quite a few people forget is that the Yamatos were,by Wikipedias' standards,Fast Battleships at a modest 27 knots.
And of course that terminology is just as screwed up as a lot of Naval terminology is...
If I were to level one criticism against this guy, it's that he let the enemy vessels get too close. He had a speed advantage over every enemy vessel with the possible exception of Spence and his radars also gave a pretty decisive detection advantage. If he had conducted a fighting retreat, he would have forced the enemy to spread out to chase him down and while Spence might have been able to catch up, Mr. Sea Sparrow and Mr. Harpoon would not have been her friend. He also wouldn't have had to deal with Akagi's aircraft and Musashi simultaneously. Akagi-chan did seriously gimp her striking range when switching to the triple-flight deck loadout so after dealing with Spence and Akagi-chan's aircraft, he could have closed in and either knocked out Akagi-chan with numerous Harpoon strikes or blasted Musashi/FdG with multiple SAM shots to the bridge while staying out of gunnery range, depending on which unlucky sod he spotted first. Instead, he ended up facing all of them at once and paid the price for it.
No, his biggest mistake was that he got overconfident.
This is mostly correct, except he and Amagi-chan didn't have the speed advantage. Believe it or not, the Yamato-class can outrun a Zumwalt or Arleigh Burke and that's without even cross-connecting boilers. Certainly the modern-day destroyers could easily out-maneuver Akagi-chan and company, but not outrun them.
im not sure what you're talking about both the Zumwalt and the Arleigh Burke can go 30 knots while Musashi can only only go 27 im not sure where you got your information but its wrong
im not sure what you're talking about both the Zumwalt and the Arleigh Burke can go 30 knots while Musashi can only only go 27 im not sure where you got your information but its wrong
im not sure what you're talking about both the Zumwalt and the Arleigh Burke can go 30 knots while Musashi can only only go 27 im not sure where you got your information but its wrong
Musashi cross-connected her boilers for a speed boost, so it's feasible that she might have hit 30. Their battlegroup was said in an earlier page to be approaching at 29. Looking at the others, Akagi could hit 31.5 while Spence reached 35 and Friedrich was planned for 30. Musashi was the only one that, on paper, the modern ships could outrun.
Musashi cross-connected her boilers for a speed boost, so it's feasible that she might have hit 30. Their battlegroup was said in an earlier page to be approaching at 29. Looking at the others, Akagi could hit 31.5 while Spence reached 35 and Friedrich was planned for 30. Musashi was the only one that, on paper, the modern ships could outrun.
Except that the US Navy states that the Arleigh Burke-class and Zumwalt-class have a top speed greater than 30 knots. They don't give out those figures to just anyone and if the Mk 48 torpedo is any indication, then they aren't above massively understating it and I've seen estimates that the top speed is closer to 35 knots.
He kind of was one. Unfamiliarity with old ships and their exact capabilities was forgivable, but he was too arrogant and too confident in tech advantage. This was a highly nonstandard situation and he failed to adapt due to his preconceptions. Simply too inflexible.
A tech edge only helps if the person using it does not use it as their main edge. an opponent with outdated tech can absolutely win in a situation where his opponent is confident in total victory
Leave a comment