What Amagi seems to have missed, or is trying to sweep under the rug, is that Akagi didn't STOP giving people grief after all that time.
Hell, this whole comic started because of how badly she treated Akagi-Chan, and then there's the whole guilty trip bullshit she did to get away with doing experiments without permission.
Bitch did not apologize or repent at all, so why should people even consider forgiveness?
What Amagi seems to have missed, or is trying to sweep under the rug, is that Akagi didn't STOP giving people grief after all that time.
Hell, this whole comic started because of how badly she treated Akagi-Chan, and then there's the whole guilty trip bullshit she did to get away with doing experiments without permission.
Bitch did not apologize or repent at all, so why should people even consider forgiveness?
It's like what Amagi just said: it's been 80 years. Grim's contention with Akagi isn't due to Akagi's personality or whatever antics she's up to in the modern day. It's because of Pearl Harbor and losing Yorktown at Midway.
And Akagi and Kaga did pay the ultimate price for their participation in initiating the war. If you remember, Akagi even tried to guilt Enterprise over the fact that Akagi had to witness her sister violently immolated at Midway while Enterprise at least got to embrace and comfort her sister Yorktown before the latter slipped beneath the waves. Midway left Akagi damaged and embittered, and while Amagi's return relieved a great deal of this, Akagi still carries around some of that burden (Kaga, arguably even moreso.)
I also think you're missing the fact that Grim is every bit as unpleasant to others as Akagi. At least Akagi can work with her fellows in the fleet, while Grim becomes the more dangerous the closer anyone outside of Enterprise, Yorktown, Akagi-chan impedes on what he considers his personal space. (He will now allow Vestal to handle and care for him, but only grudgingly. Check her new in-game chibi.)
So, Amagi is attempting this for the benefit of Grim as well. And it goes without saying that the fact that Amagi can even attempt to broker a armistice between Akagi and Grim says a great deal more about Amagi herself, and that this goes pretty far to explain why everyone from hers and every other fleet hold her in the rarest of regard.
It's like what Amagi just said: it's been 80 years. Grim's contention with Akagi isn't due to Akagi's personality or whatever antics she's up to in the modern day. It's because of Pearl Harbor and losing Yorktown at Midway.
And Akagi and Kaga did pay the ultimate price for their participation in initiating the war. If you remember, Akagi even tried to guilt Enterprise over the fact that Akagi had to witness her sister violently immolated at Midway while Enterprise at least got to embrace and comfort her sister Yorktown before the latter slipped beneath the waves. Midway left Akagi damaged and embittered, and while Amagi's return relieved a great deal of this, Akagi still carries around some of that burden (Kaga, arguably even moreso.)
I also think you're missing the fact that Grim is every bit as unpleasant to others as Akagi. At least Akagi can work with her fellows in the fleet, while Grim becomes the more dangerous the closer anyone outside of Enterprise, Yorktown, Akagi-chan impedes on what he considers his personal space. (He will now allow Vestal to handle and care for him, but only grudgingly. Check her new in-game chibi.)
So, Amagi is attempting this for the benefit of Grim as well. And it goes without saying that the fact that Amagi can even attempt to broker a armistice between Akagi and Grim says a great deal more about Amagi herself, and that this goes pretty far to explain why everyone from hers and every other fleet hold her in the rarest of regard.
Akagi should have to bear a heavier burden to earn forgiveness. You don't get to start a war, commit innumerable atrocities and then claim victim status later. Whether grim, the literal embodiment of the fighter squadron that protected Yorktown, and then Enterprise, is less than pleasant to others is irrelevant. Nothing he has done, nothing he could have done, compares even a little to what Akagi and Kaga have done, never mind Japan as a whole.
Akagi should have to bear a heavier burden to earn forgiveness. You don't get to start a war, commit innumerable atrocities and then claim victim status later. Whether grim, the literal embodiment of the fighter squadron that protected Yorktown, and then Enterprise, is less than pleasant to others is irrelevant. Nothing he has done, nothing he could have done, compares even a little to what Akagi and Kaga have done, never mind Japan as a whole.
Unlike in Germany, there was actual political opposition to the war, and it was composed of a significant proportion of the entire population. Unfortunately, interbellum and wartime Japan was governed by a ruling class of militarist elites drunk on self-righteousness. You know, that same thing you're sipping right now.
This wasn't post-facto opposition because they essentially lost the war six months after they started it. It was ideological opposition from the very start. It had to be, given how ignorant the ruling class kept the population, who was likely wondering how on earth their invincible navy managed to sink USS Enterprise no less than six times.
One particular US Marine who had been present and witness to the sneak attack on Pearl Harbor, and who personally lost a lot of shipmates due to it, and had to suffer through the misery of the island-hopping campaign made it his personal mission to inflict suffering on the Japanese people as soon as his unit landed in mainland Japan. He got his wish, but he reported years later that after he saw the state of the Japanese people after four years of being victim to the same ruling class who enacted the atrocities in Asia and the sneak attack on Pearl Harbor, he felt nothing but pity for them and shame at his own anger.
If he dropped the pretense of self-righteous anger nearly 80 years ago, maybe it's time everyone else did too.
Unlike in Germany, there was actual political opposition to the war, and it was composed of a significant proportion of the entire population. Unfortunately, interbellum and wartime Japan was governed by a ruling class of militarist elites drunk on self-righteousness. You know, that same thing you're sipping right now.
This wasn't post-facto opposition because they essentially lost the war six months after they started it. It was ideological opposition from the very start. It had to be, given how ignorant the ruling class kept the population, who was likely wondering how on earth their invincible navy managed to sink USS Enterprise no less than six times.
One particular US Marine who had been present and witness to the sneak attack on Pearl Harbor, and who personally lost a lot of shipmates due to it, and had to suffer through the misery of the island-hopping campaign made it his personal mission to inflict suffering on the Japanese people as soon as his unit landed in mainland Japan. He got his wish, but he reported years later that after he saw the state of the Japanese people after four years of being victim to the same ruling class who enacted the atrocities in Asia and the sneak attack on Pearl Harbor, he felt nothing but pity for them and shame at his own anger.
If he dropped the pretense of self-righteous anger nearly 80 years ago, maybe it's time everyone else did too.
Well said. Alot that happened during those times are not really written well in our historical books. It was those that actually witnessed it and eventually told about the things they seen and experienced that it shined a light on hidden things that were not told or even thought of at the time.
Okay... I'm starting to think the approvers aren't really fans of Akagi-squared...
There's been multiple new installments from various series which have had to sit through a period of unanimous unapproval. I'm not sure if it's a growing trend or troubled individuals running sockpuppets.
There's been multiple new installments from various series which have had to sit through a period of unanimous unapproval. I'm not sure if it's a growing trend or troubled individuals running sockpuppets.
Considering that it only takes one approver to approve a post, I'm curious how you think sockpuppets could possibly affect the situation at all. Even if someone had a hundred sockpuppets and somehow managed to get them all promoted to approver without raising suspicions, what difference would it make? They could all choose not to approve a post, and it would still take only one other person to approve it.
Considering that it only takes one approver to approve a post, I'm curious how you think sockpuppets could possibly affect the situation at all. Even if someone had a hundred sockpuppets and somehow managed to get them all promoted to approver without raising suspicions, what difference would it make? They could all choose not to approve a post, and it would still take only one other person to approve it.
...and it seems we finally got that guy! Eighth's time the charm I guess...
Two World War Two era battleships (big ones), a fleet carrier, and a destroyer verse what looks like two Zumwalt-class 21st century destroyers? I am not sure how to rate that kind of fight.