madcat said: You say that like there's supposed to be another pairing ;)
Nanoha/Yuuno, Nanoha/Chrono, Nanoha/Arf, Nanoha/Suzuka, Nanoha/Arisa, Fate/Yuuno, Fate/Chrono, Fate/Arf, Fate/Suzuka, Fate/Arisa, Yuuno/Chrono, Yuuno/Arf, Yuuno/Suzuka, Yuuno/Arisa, Suzuka/Arisa... do I need to get into the threesome pairings or get the A's and StrikerS casts involved? Have I made my point that there's more to this series than fucking Nano/Fate?
C'mon folks, I like Nano/Fate as much as the next guy but is a bit of fucking variety too much to ask for?
Comartemis said: Nanoha/Yuuno, Nanoha/Chrono, Nanoha/Arf, Nanoha/Suzuka, Nanoha/Arisa, Fate/Yuuno, Fate/Chrono, Fate/Arf, Fate/Suzuka, Fate/Arisa, Yuuno/Chrono, Yuuno/Arf, Yuuno/Suzuka, Yuuno/Arisa, Suzuka/Arisa... do I need to get into the threesome pairings or get the A's and StrikerS casts involved?
Tokoharu only makes NanoFate, you can't blame the artists because this is a pairing actually supported by the series, not like yours. You can find some Subaru/Teana or Caro/Erio if you look in the right places.
Uraha said: this is a pairing actually supported by the series, not like yours.
There is exactly one pairing that is supported the series and that is Chrono/Amy. Nano/Fate is teased at mercilessly but there is no concrete evidence that Nanoha and Fate are a couple, only that they are very close friends.
And of course you can find Caro/Erio out there, you can find Erio/Anybody out there. The kid's a freaking ten year old sex god.
Comartemis said: Nano/Fate is teased at mercilessly but there is no concrete evidence that Nanoha and Fate are a couple, only that they are very close friends.
I do read ViviD, and I know all about the two mamas deal. My beef is with people who insist that Nano/Fate is the only possible or acceptable pairing for this series, apparently people like madcat.
So I read fanfiction, alright? And there's this friend/acquaintence/forum buddy of mine who wrote a series of Nano/Fate/Yuuno fics, his name's Nanya. And half the reviews this guy gets consist of Nano/Fate fanatics BAAAAWWWWWing over the fact that he included Yuuno, that he isn't writing "pure" Nano/Fate. Is that retarded? I think that's retarded.
Like I said, I like Nano/Fate (I like Yuuno too, but I think Arisa is a better match for him). But it is not canon, and it will never be canon until the day I hear one girl say "I love you" to the other (or until I see them kissing or doing the horizontal tango). And even then, I will still try to reach through the monitor and strangle anyone who says you can't do one pairing because the other one's better/official/true love/whatever.
DschingisKhan said: Dude, chill out. Is sarcasm lost on you, or did you just forget to take your meds?
First, you'd be pissed too if you had people trying to tell you what you can or can't write in your own fanfics. Being an aspiring writer for this series myself, it's kind of a touchy subject for me. Second... sarcasm? What sarcasm?
Comartemis said: Like I said, I like Nano/Fate (I like Yuuno too, but I think Arisa is a better match for him). But it is not canon, and it will never be canon until the day I hear one girl say "I love you" to the other (or until I see them kissing or doing the horizontal tango)
Then my parents aren't canon, because they don't act like 2 teenagers in love in front of other people either. Nanoha and Fate went further than any other* yuri couple, tThey are a family now, that's a fact.
*let's forget about Haruha and Michiru for a moment!
Uraha said: Then my parents aren't canon, because they don't act like 2 teenagers in love in front of other people either.
Neither do mine. Our parents are canon because they can be assumed to be an official source on the subject of their feelings for each other. The closest we have to that with Nano/Fate is that bit about their voice actresses thinking they're a couple, and they aren't an official source in any case.
They are a family now, that's a fact.
Oh definitely, but so are Hayate and the Wolkenritter. Family does not necessarily equate with lovers.
To be honest, there's very little doubt in my mind that Nanoha and Fate love each other. The question is whether that love is platonic or romantic, and all the evidence we have on that matter can be interpreted either way.
faytedone said: ALL fanfiction are going to have SOMEONE bitching about the coupling, even if the pairing WAS supported by the series, ie. Love Hina.
I'm not bitching about the pairing or about people who bitch about Nano/Fate, I'm bitching about people who insist that Nano/Fate is the only acceptable option in this series. Pairings are perfectly fine, shoving pairings down peoples' throats is perfectly not.
Nobody Whines about Yuuno/Chrono when Chrono is a married man.
Then why people should whine about anybody/Nanoha or anybody/Fate or Nanoha/Fate/anybody?
Their pairing isn't canon like Chrono/Amy and neither is a bloody obvious as Haruka/Michiru from Sailor Moon (reason way, Uraha you don't use them as an example of a non direct canon pairing)
The only thing that we get from all the materials of Nanoha, is that the authors LOVE To exploit the fanpairs teasingly and as a way to get more monies from the merchandizing that may hint it (the same way how the Gay like Art from series like Gundam Wing, Gundam Seed and recently Gundam 00, is used for the same purpose but we don't get any real pairing on the very shows).
So seriously, chill down people, let the fans have the pairings they like and not act so zealous about it, and my message, goes mainly for the Nano/Fate zealots, but it can also be aimed to anybody else with the same attitude about pairings.
Comartemis said: I'm bitching about people who insist....
All right, so if I need to convey sarcasm, simply using the ";)" is not enough. <sarcasm>That's cool; winking isn't well known anyway.</sarcasm>
(Seriously, though, you seem to be a native speaker with decent construction and spelling... did you miss the smiley? Or is it just a lot of pent-up frustration?)
Comartemis said: Neither do mine. Our parents are canon because they can be assumed to be an official source on the subject of their feelings for each other. The closest we have to that with Nano/Fate is that bit about their voice actresses thinking they're a couple, and they aren't an official source in any case.
No, the closest we have to them being canon is them living like a married couple, because the movie Sound Stage IS canon.
Comartemis said:Oh definitely, but so are Hayate and the Wolkenritter. Family does not necessarily equate with lovers.
Except "Hayate and Wolkenritter" are not two females who moved together and decided to raise a daughter.
sgcdonmai said: The ship tease is half the charm, and ruling out other pairings would alienate a lot of the fandom, too.
There isn't a real fanbase for other pairings for Nanoha or Fate. By revealing more explicit elements of their relationship with each drama cd and manga chapter they're not losing anything, but giving the fans what they want.
DschingisKhan said:(Seriously, though, you seem to be a native speaker with decent construction and spelling... did you miss the smiley? Or is it just a lot of pent-up frustration?)
LOTS of pent-up frustration is part of it, yes. Arguing with people like Uraha here is a bit like punching a brick wall, nothing really gets through to it and all you end up with for your troubles are bloody knuckles. But I also don't associate ;) with sarcasm, I've seen a lot of people use it as a "cooler" smile emote. With me it's usually better to use :P or to make your tone so brutally obvious that it can't possibly be interpreted any other way. Like this:
Uraha said: No, the closest we have to them being canon is them living like a married couple, because the movie Sound Stage IS canon.
Oh yes, because everyone who lives together with someone they aren't related to ALWAYS loves the other person! Never mind such concepts as roommates or friends with benefits (This dose of sarcasm brought to you by Divorced Couples of America, proving that Uraha is full of shit since 2009!)
And I'm not trusting that Sound Stage until I get a translation from someone who isn't Haru. I know the guy from AnimeSuki and he's as much a Nano/Fate fanatic as they come. I wouldn't trust him to tell me the sky is blue if his favorite pairing was flying around in it; this is the man who once compared the spreading the Nano/Fate word to volunteer firefighters.
There isn't a real fanbase for other pairings for Nanoha or Fate.
Two words, fanatic: NANOHA/YUUNO! And before A's sank that ship, we also had FATE/CHRONO! And if you look all the way back to classic you'll notice that Arisa of all people is tsundere for Nanoha. But of course your fanaticism has blinded you to all other possibilities for these two. Makes me wonder why I bother with this...
Comartemis said: Two words, fanatic: NANOHA/YUUNO! And before A's sank that ship, we also had FATE/CHRONO!
For God's sake, Comartemis.... The last Nanoha/Yuuno fanart is at least 1 year old, the pairing is not only sunken but also unpopular, even Nanoha/Chrono and Nanoha/Erio receive more love than that now. Go do some research on pixiv.
Comartemis said: And I'm not trusting that Sound Stage until I get a translation from someone who isn't Haru.
Comartemis said: Oh yes, because everyone who lives together with someone they aren't related to ALWAYS loves the other person! Never mind such concepts as roommates or friends with benefits
That's not the point, they're a family and are being written as a married couple.
Uraha said: For God's sake, Comartemis.... The last Nanoha/Yuuno fanart is at least 1 year old, the pairing is not only sunken but also unpopular, even Nanoha/Chrono and Nanoha/Erio receive more love than that now. Go do some research on pixiv. Oh for the love of...
Lack of material does not indicate lack of popularity. Look at how many Dragonball Z or Sailor Moon images we have right here on Danbooru; would you believe DBZ was one of mainsteam anime's biggest hits back in the 90s when Touhou images outnumber DBZ images more than 1000 to 1?
Nano/Yuuno still has a host of loyal fans devoted to it. And so do the show's other pairings. But I wouldn't expect a fanatic to pay attention to the other side of his argument.
I don't trust people who repeat back everything Haru said about the Sound Stage in question either.
That's not the point, they're a family and are being written as a married couple.
Shhh... you hear that? That's the sound of my point flying completely over your head. Family does not equal lovers. You can go back in history and look at any number of political marriages from any country of your choosing, or look at a saddening number of relationships in the modern day where there is no love between the parent figures in a family unit.
I don't think Nanoha and Fate have a relationship like that. At the least, they like each other to back their partner up no matter what the other is doing. But that isn't evidence of romantic love, only of platonic love, the kind you have for a sibling or a friend you've had since you were a kid. Their current relationship is a strong indicator of their feelings for each other, but it is not proof of romantic love. Please do not treat it as such.
Comartemis said: Look at how many Dragonball Z or Sailor Moon images we have right here on Danbooru; would you believe DBZ was one of mainsteam anime's biggest hits back in the 90s when Touhou images outnumber DBZ images more than 1000 to 1?
You can't compare the amount of digital images of Nanoha and an anime created more than 20 years ago. We didn't even have Internet.
Comartemis said: Nano/Yuuno still has a host of loyal fans devoted to it. And so do the show's other pairings. But I wouldn't expect a fanatic to pay attention to the other side of his argument.
We're talking about Japan, not about your friends and their fanfics. In Japan Nano/Yuuno is inexistent, because for them is harder to deny the canon material.
Comartemis said: I don't trust people who repeat back everything Haru said about the Sound Stage in question either.
It's your fault if you don't trust the canon material. The Drama CD is available for download and every fan already got the right conclusions from it.
Comartemis said: Family does not equal lovers.
No, but in most cases it does, you can't take the "family" element of their relationship as something independent either, you must take the context, otherwise even when we see them marrying you will say "marriage not equal lovers".
Comartemis said: But that isn't evidence of romantic love, only of platonic love, the kind you have for a sibling or a friend you've had since you were a kid. Their current relationship is a strong indicator of their feelings for each other, but it is not proof of romantic love. Please do not treat it as such.
I only see you trying to impose that they're not romantically involved interpreting in the most non-conventional way every single canon proof of their relationship, but you haven't presented ANY canon evidence that your comparisons are valid, you haven't presented anything to substantiate your claims. Shouting out that they're not a couple won't make them any less canon.
Comartemis said: I do read ViviD, and I know all about the two mamas deal. My beef is with people who insist that Nano/Fate is the only possible or acceptable pairing for this series, apparently people like madcat.
So I read fanfiction, alright? And there's this friend/acquaintence/forum buddy of mine who wrote a series of Nano/Fate/Yuuno fics, his name's Nanya. And half the reviews this guy gets consist of Nano/Fate fanatics BAAAAWWWWWing over the fact that he included Yuuno, that he isn't writing "pure" Nano/Fate. Is that retarded? I think that's retarded.
Like I said, I like Nano/Fate (I like Yuuno too, but I think Arisa is a better match for him). But it is not canon, and it will never be canon until the day I hear one girl say "I love you" to the other (or until I see them kissing or doing the horizontal tango). And even then, I will still try to reach through the monitor and strangle anyone who says you can't do one pairing because the other one's better/official/true love/whatever.
Put Yuno aside. Fanfiction writer are GAY, you now GAY, and with gay I do not mean homosexual, just GAY.
Official admin warning: Everyone shut up. Argue about your fanfics elsewhere.
You should probably delete your comment before anyone else sees it. The conversation isn't really over if one side keeps making fun of the other. No one wants to see it anymore, from either fanfic side, or even fanfic is stupid side.
The comment I made was in jest, I didn't think it'd be taken this seriously.
For those that may have missed the little wink at the end of my comment, I meant it as more of a joke as even I'm not stupid enough to think that Nano/Fate is the only pairing. Hell I've friends who write Nano/Vita pairings, as well as others, so it's not like I don't recognise other pairings exist.
tl:dr My comment was a joke, and I ask that we relax a bit peeps. However I offer my sincere apologies to anyone I upset people with my off the cuff comment.