If there was ever an anime to prove just how absolutely Far gone the anime community is in terms of everything
It's this one
Considering how controversial this one is, considering how controversial the themes present are every time this happens, I think all that's been proven is that people have very different opinions and the anime itself isn't really indicative of the state of anything.
This isn't the first controversial anime, this won't be the last.
Is it really Interspecies Reviewers' fault, though? Kodomo no Jikan is a literal pedophile's dirty fantasy, and it aired on a network for young girls, and had to be censored to the point of being totally incomprehensible as a result. I don't think airing objectionable content on public television is anything new. Reviewers certainly went the extra mile, though.
Interspecies Reviewers at least had it where it was (to my knowledge) involving consensual sex, which is a whole other ball game. Something can have rape, but this is one where the MC not only uses rape but goes beyond that into sexual torture (the original novel had her get a bit of red hot poker for real instead of threatening it). Reviewers also had it where several people involved in the production and airing did not do their due diligence on what the source material was.
I have to assume at some point a lot of corporate types had to approve decisions that led us here and not a season 2 for spice and wolf.
Interspecies Reviewers at least had it where it was (to my knowledge) involving consensual sex, which is a whole other ball game. Something can have rape, but this is one where the MC not only uses rape but goes beyond that into sexual torture (the original novel had her get a bit of red hot poker for real instead of threatening it). Reviewers also had it where several people involved in the production and airing did not do their due diligence on what the source material was.
I have to assume at some point a lot of corporate types had to approve decisions that led us here and not a season 2 for spice and wolf.
The only thing that worries me is that from now on after this and Goblin Slayer there's just gonna be tons more of "controversy bait" animes where it doesn't have any substance(Kaifuku already doesn't) and just wanna use its "shocking controversy" as free publicity. Then soon enough we're dealing with having one of these every season.
The only thing that worries me is that from now on after this and Goblin Slayer there's just gonna be tons more of "controversy bait" animes where it doesn't have any substance(Kaifuku already doesn't) and just wanna use its "shocking controversy" as free publicity. Then soon enough we're dealing with having one of these every season.
Honestly with how the anime scene has been lately with these over the top Ecchi shows that borderline hentai while lacking any form of interesting story I'm inclined to believe it's already nearing that point.
At least Goblin Slayer had details and actual reasons for the horrible stuff in it being the God's are horrible assholes that are actively making thing's worse for everyone in anyway possible this just give the impression that it's somebody's revenge rape fantasy or wanted an excuse to write about rape fantasies by making the characters behave as horribly as possible to give the main character an excuse to do what he does and brainwash them later to what he wants in written and now anime form.
Honestly with how the anime scene has been lately with these over the top Ecchi shows that borderline hentai while lacking any form of interesting story I'm inclined to believe it's already nearing that point.
"Lately" Anime has been doing this for decades? To Love-Ru, To Love-Ru Darkness, Kodomo no Jikan, Ero-manga Sensei, Girls Bravo, really any harem anime, Goblin Slayer, Interspecies Reviewers. Those are just the ones with gratuitous ecchi that come to mind, and isn't even touching on the ones with gratuitous gore, meaningless shock value death, or heavy rape themes.
Why is it that every time a new controversial anime airs, everyone acts like this is a previously unseen sign of the fall of the "anime community". This happens every year. Anime and manga have been shamelessly horny from the beginning, nothing has changed.
"Lately" Anime has been doing this for decades? To Love-Ru, To Love-Ru Darkness, Kodomo no Jikan, Ero-manga Sensei, Girls Bravo, really any harem anime, Goblin Slayer, Interspecies Reviewers. Those are just the ones with gratuitous ecchi that come to mind, and isn't even touching on the ones with gratuitous gore, meaningless shock value death, or heavy rape themes.
Why is it that every time a new controversial anime airs, everyone acts like this is a previously unseen sign of the fall of the "anime community". This happens every year. Anime and manga have been shamelessly horny from the beginning, nothing has changed.
To love Ru and Ero manga Sensei and Girls Bravo where designed from the get go to be Echhi comedies so I'd be pretty odd to take it seriously in any sort of capacity
Kodomo no Jikan along with Interspecies Reviewer is a fair point but I'm never touching those even with a hundred foot pole unless I was completely alone and even then I'm not really interested in it in the first place.
Seikon to Qwaser as I pointed out as well already shows it as well.
I think you misunderstood something about the lately there.
The main difference between those and now is lately is quite literally referring to lately not over the span of several years or decades apart like those are.
In the past year alone we've had more than several of those types of animes that really make you question the ones who are giving the greenlight to have them made and aired.
So yes when I said lately I meant lately not over the course of several years or decades because I already know they were doing it already for a long time it's just that lately they're taken it up to another notch and started making more and more of them than compared to before with stuff that outright shouldn't be shown now like straight up rape on screen with barely anything to censor it now.
In the past year alone we've had more than several of those types of animes that really make you question the ones who are giving the greenlight to have them made and aired.
So yes when I said lately I meant lately not over the course of several years or decades because I already know they were doing it already for a long time it's just that lately they're taken it up to another notch and started making more and more of them than compared to before with stuff that outright shouldn't be shown now like straight up rape on screen with barely anything to censor it now.
I know full well what you meant by "lately" and I'm challenging your claim by pointing out that this happens at least every other year for at least the last 20 years.
Goblin Slayer aired October 2018, Interspecies Reviewers aired January 2020, and Redo of Healer aired January 2021. I haven't heard of any other controversies like these three. If there are several of these types of animes just in the last year, could you name them for me? Cause I haven't heard of them. These three seem like special cases that people are trying to use as examples of a larger problem that might not exist.
And really, it's painfully obvious no one talking about this has actually done any research. Reviewers and Healer were both heavily censored in their television releases. Flare's rape scene in Ep2 of Healer is almost completely cut. There's only a few extremely ambiguous grunts from Flare to suggest it's happening. Nudity is also completely nonexistent. So your claim that "straight up rape is shown on screen with barely anything to censor it" is just patently false.
Is Healer being streamed in any service on the west? Because I haven't tripped on any huge wars about this anime, as controversial as the theme is.
From where I see, Uzaki had more flame wars in the west, so I am supposing this revenge-rape anime is not registering on the western radars. Or I'm looking the wrong way.
Is Healer being streamed in any service on the west? Because I haven't tripped on any huge wars about this anime, as controversial as the theme is.
From where I see, Uzaki had more flame wars in the west, so I am supposing this revenge-rape anime is not registering on the western radars. Or I'm looking the wrong way.
No western service has claimed official rights to it, as far as I can find. No one is streaming it. No way Netflix would touch this one, and after Reviewers Funimation probably isn't making that mistake again.
Is Healer being streamed in any service on the west? Because I haven't tripped on any huge wars about this anime, as controversial as the theme is.
From where I see, Uzaki had more flame wars in the west, so I am supposing this revenge-rape anime is not registering on the western radars. Or I'm looking the wrong way.
No American service is touching this series. And those you expect to whine about it and busying themselves whining about Attack on Titan and even pre-emptively started bitching about Nagatoro.
I'm not talking about the gazillion other ecchi shows and is drawing the line at Goblin Slayer going forward because it's not the existence of the sexual content that's at fault, it's how the story presented that sexual content.
Goblin Slayer is supposed to have anti-rape theme. I mean the goddamn premise of the story is literally that rapists deserve to die. But good luck finding a Goblin Slayer doujin or sexual fanart that doesn't go the exact opposite way of that, all because how the rapes were depicted.
To draw similarities, it's like SAO's scenes where yes the story is doing everything to make you hate the rapist, yet when the actual rape scene comes it doesn't stop the camera from zooming right up the girls' butt anyway. It just comes off as disingenuous and hypocritical.
Kaifuku just throws all of that pretention and just go "rape is good, and once I have raped you you deserve to be my sex slave forever." Again yes, this was nothing new if you're talking full-on hentais, but it's the combination of airing on TV AND this message that's giving it oxygen. It otherwise doesn't have any other merits to stand on its own.
Goblin Slayer is supposed to have anti-rape theme. I mean the goddamn premise of the story is literally that rapists deserve to die. But good luck finding a Goblin Slayer doujin or sexual fanart that doesn't go the exact opposite way of that, all because how the rapes were depicted.
I don't think the Goblin Slayer rape doujins had anything to do with how Goblin Slayer portrayed rape. Considering how prevalent rape doujins are in general, I don't think you can expect people to not make them, regardless of whatever perceived themes you believe the show itself had.
Whether or not Goblin Slayer presented rape in an appealing way, those doujins were going to exist regardless. You're reaching if you're going to place the responsibility of the fans (many of the doujin artists may not have even watched the show) making rape doujins on the show itself.
Also I watched Goblin Slayer, I don't see how you could have watched any of those scenes and viewed them as positive depictions. Most of those girls got torn apart during the act. Most of the doujins don't go anywhere near that far.
I'm stating the evidence how Goblin Slayer or SAO portrays its sexual nature is perceived by its fans, and doujins are just the most obvious example I can give of the fans within that demographic.
Compare it to some other animes also known for heavy sexual content like Kill la Kill or hell, even something like HoTD or Highschool DxD, suddenly you barely get any rape doujins. There will still be some, of course, even Pokemon has rape doujins, that's inevitable, but again proportional is the keyword here. Goblin Slayer negates its own stance on rape with how it was depicted.
And I'm not sure how you got Goblin Slayer confused. The targets that got torn apart were always male, the the females that died to goblins were never raped. I mean the story itself framed the rape as being for reproductive purposes, so it'd be stupid to tear apart the mother of your future children.
All that rounds back to how Kaifuku didn't even pretend to put up a hypocritical "rape = bad" stance, and just goes all out "rape = good".