Are they "graduating" too? Just how much money do they get from that market, that it's economically better to shut down channels than to lose support?
No announcement of graduatings. the two are still on suspension. Haato's was innocent, even the chinese fans agree that she shouldn't be punished. Meanwhile, Coco is their largest earner and they'd be insane to fire her
Ah china first they create Covid-19, secondly they somehow have a border dispute with India, third they ask activision to cut tiananmen square from COD Trailer, and now this.
2020 has been a terrible year, and almost everything has been due to China's fault in some way or another.
If you're talking about Covid, China was also the hardest hit at the start and they along with other countries like South Korea, Vietnam and Japan are already suppressed the pandemic in their country. Also stuff like forest fires, riots and some recent border conflicts have nothing to do with China.
So hate the nationalist and idiots, hate the CCP but don't be Sinophobic.
If you're talking about Covid, China was also the hardest hit at the start and they along with other countries like South Korea, Vietnam and Japan are already suppressed the pandemic in their country. Also stuff like forest fires, riots and some recent border conflicts have nothing to do with China.
So hate the nationalist and idiots, hate the CCP but don't be Sinophobic.
Except that the CCP has done nothing to improve health and safety at exotic animal markets-- despite this and previous outbreaks having originated from them-- because that would mean admitting they did something wrong.
Don't get me wrong: I don't want anti-CCP rhetoric to turn into Asian-bashing, but when the CCP's disinformation is responsible for TWO pandemics which they refuse to admit guilt for, then not even close to enough is being done about their influence on the rest of the world. Let's not even get into how they're playing loan shark to small African and Southern Asian countries.
Its their idiotic apologizing that made it worse. We all know that when you actually show signs of weakness and give in to the demands of shitheads, they only demand more and is never satisfy no matter what you do because they have a fetish of watching others suffer and crave the thrill of twisted superiority cause they themselves are a shit stain on humanity, especially when most of them are freeloading and pirating scums fucks who contribute nothing yet act as if they’re kings.
Fuck Cover for folding so easily. Fuck Cover for their incompetence. And fuck Cover for being greedy fuckheads that continuously fail to protect their employees, willing to throw them to the curb at a moment’s notice whenever something stupid happens.
Look, I don't like this suspension any bit more than you do but ranting rages and demonizing others is just going to make things worse for everyone.
If Cover didn't do anything then Hololive as a brand will be put up as anti-CCP, and yes that would be the moral decision, if you are to fight a school bully. But it's different when you are against a country.
I agree thanks to this Fubuki and Suisei and every other Hololive JP should just pull from the Chinese market. I mean thanks to covid, Japan and China's trade relationship is going to sour further in the coming years anyway.
But the problem is if they straight up give the middle finger to China, then what's to happen to Hololive CN? If those girls take side of Cover, they're basically asking for themselves to be doxxed, harassed and most likely banned from Bilibili. I don't watch them and I presume you most likely also don't, but what's better? Just having Coco and Haachama lay low for 3 weeks, then come back(and they will come back. They're too ingrained to just duck out like Aloe), or have all 6 CN talents lose their jobs and subject them to an even worse harassment than Coco and Haachama are getting?
Look, I don't like this suspension any bit more than you do but ranting rages and demonizing others is just going to make things worse for everyone.
If Cover didn't do anything then Hololive as a brand will be put up as anti-CCP, and yes that would be the moral decision, if you are to fight a school bully. But it's different when you are against a country.
I agree thanks to this Fubuki and Suisei and every other Hololive JP should just pull from the Chinese market. I mean thanks to covid, Japan and China's trade relationship is going to sour further in the coming years anyway.
But the problem is if they straight up give the middle finger to China, then what's to happen to Hololive CN? If those girls take side of Cover, they're basically asking for themselves to be doxxed, harassed and most likely banned from Bilibili. I don't watch them and I presume you most likely also don't, but what's better? Just having Coco and Haachama lay low for 3 weeks, then come back(and they will come back. They're too ingrained to just duck out like Aloe), or have all 6 CN talents lose their jobs and subject them to an even worse harassment than Coco and Haachama are getting?
I know that but still. It pisses me off how shitty of a company they can be and how they could fuck up so bad time and time again all while throwing the girls underneath the bus. I know that the whole suspension is suppose to be a way to protect them in a way but still, ugh...its fucking bullshit.
I expect nothing from them and their incompetence yet it is still infuriating.
Maybe I’m just sick of seeing this shit keep happening, and know that more shit is going to happen. Its not even a matter of if anymore but more of when.
Well, but you are right about rage ranting and stuff will not help. Hopefully it will force them to do better to protect their employees, but I’m not holding my breath on it, unfortunately.
No announcement of graduatings. the two are still on suspension. Haato's was innocent, even the chinese fans agree that she shouldn't be punished. Meanwhile, Coco is their largest earner and they'd be insane to fire her
Just curious. What did Coco do different? Why is she getting so much more hate from the chinese in comparison to Haato?
Just curious. What did Coco do different? Why is she getting so much more hate from the chinese in comparison to Haato?
She's American, the Chinese interpretation is that she tried to sabotage Haachama, and that she was deliberately undermining Chinese territorial claims over Taiwan.
From my understanding, the situation in Hong Kong, the resulting (in-country) media coverage basically riled up a significant portion of the Billibilli userbase, so they were out for blood.
The thing is I don't believe Coco ever talks about politics, i.e. BLM, riots, etc. She understands people watch virtual idols to escape real world problems, so it's ridiculous to think she would now all of sudden, try to make a statement about China-Taiwan dispute, something honestly imo she or many westerners know little about.
Some say she tries to take the heat from Haato. What? Over a ban on BiliBili and not even on Youtube? I don't think any westerners care or ever hear of BiliBili anyway. Also I doubt she knows about the ban or the reason behind it considering it's about half a day when Haato stream ended and Morning Coco Aired, and that's including her sleep. My guess is she watches the Haato's stream talks about Youtube analytics of viewer demographic and decides to add her own in her news' slide. And saying Taiwan in westerners' mind is as normal as drinking water. Not really some 4D chess move involved.
If the Chinese community believes Haato shouldn't be punished so severely, then so is Coco. You can simply just explain what I said above to them. But I believe the Chinese antis use this opportunity linking nationalism to their personal vendetta. Therefore, anything pro-Coco becomes anti-China. Why does it sound familiar? Oh yeah, Cultural Revolution. Oh well, alas here we are.
I don’t want to talk down your point, but unfortunately Bilibili and China holds a bit more significance compared to the west. If you can disregard the rabid nationalist, I believe their fan following is quite large and that the reason that Cover was force to actually do something was because the actual Chinese fans spoke out about their unjust punishment of the two. If what I read was correct, a large part in Hololive’s success was because of their support and they still have various branches and fans there and, as with all things in the East, the west is not usually included when it comes to profiting for most Japanese industies. Its the same answer as to when people complain about why there isn’t an official English server for Kancolle. Numerous things yeah, but also because it is more of a loss than a gain. The same for anime and manga. Remember that many of what we see are usually selected few that made it out or via pirating.
Also remember that youtube is banned in China and anyone who watches it are doing it illegally via VPN, which does come to a hilarious point since many of the said watchers also tend to use the same VPN from Taiwan which was why the analytic was skewed in such a way. If they are to be banned from Bilibili and if the CCP was to actually get involve, it will become an out of spiral shitstorm and many of the other members will definitely get hurt, and the company will suffer greatly, especially since many of their investors are also from China.
Don’t forget that to many of the Antis, the west is the enemy. They view Americans with such disdain its almost sad. It really is Cover’s fault for shitting the bed and their incompetence and regardless it would have only been a matter of time before some dumbshit like this finally caught up with them.
There is no way they didn’t know that Coco, being an American, would not be the biggest target if something like this was to happen. It was their lack of action to curb the shit when it happened, then going overboard with their punishment that ignited the whole shitstorm. They allowed it to fester, making it into a problem for the Antis to be able to latch on to and then were too slow to do anything until it got out of hand but by the time they did they could only do damage control.
Haato is very lucky that Coco was able to take most of the heat, but at the same time she is unlucky that it was Coco that was involved because that got more attention than it should. And truthfully, it is luckily that it is happening to Coco because she’s actually popular enough to be not be immediately thrown under the bus by the idiot company.
If anything, Coco is just a scapegoat for more larger bullshit that should not even be hoped to get into which sucks ass, but there is little that can be done except hopefully protect her until all this dies down.
I don’t want to talk down your point, but unfortunately Bilibili and China holds a bit more significance compared to the west.
I agree with you wholeheartedly.
However, my previous statement is from a content creator stand point rather than financial/marketing stand point. To put it simply, Haato and Coco are creating content for mainly Japanese speaking world and to lesser extent, English speaking world. I know some 1st and 2nd Gen hololivers would hold BiliBili exclusive stream and that's why some of them are so loved by Chinese audience, but even they would still pay them less attention due to the language barrier. I also don't think Hololivers JP actually handle their BiliBili channel because I assume its interface is in Chinese only. Therefore, it's unlikely for Coco or Haato to understand the significance of BiliBili and deliberately take action against/for its community.
I agree with you that Cover is many things, competence is not one of them. (or maybe it's Japanese management in general from all the black company stories I've heard, hopefully it's exaggerated) If anything, Chinese netizens should go after Cover, the establishment. But yeah, Coco, being an American, makes an easy target. Also her content doesn't quite fit many antis' definition of "pure idol" so I am sure the hatred has been mounting for a while and now they get their chance.
it seems mainland China market on bilibili entertainment is still quite large, thanks to their population. thats why Cover also cornered to still keep their CN talent out of problem while do something for the incident that can appease the anger of nationalists a lil bit and stay low profile for a while. . Cover is also a small company that looking for market growth, they had to take risk making entertainment business in places that has sensitive internal territorial politic problems. i mean who could've guess they can get their ass on fire because Taiwan is in list on google analytic countries?
I cant wait for the Three Gourges Dam to burst and erase that atrocity of a country
Okay, let's assume that the dam does break. You are wishing for the deaths of thousands possibly tens of thousands of people. Not to mention the millions that will be directly affected by the distribution effects, and the billions that will be indirectly affected. Yes, billions, because a very large chunk of the world's economy runs on that river and the resulting disruption form the dam breaking would quite literally have world-ranging effects. Markets would drop everywhere. We might not see a market crash but they sure as hell would not be happy. And furthermore, the CCP probably survives. It would probably have a major leadership change up but the organization it's self would most likely come out intact and probably even harsher due to what it would view as necessary measures to ensure the stability of China. So let's say you get your wish, a great humanitarian crisis and a great economic one, all for the actions of a small but vocal group of assholes. Most of whom probably won't be that badly affected and failure to even destroy the government you despise. What is wrong with you?