T34/38 said: Big E is famous. But then again she isnt showing any leader-like qualities, just a dedicated soldier who seen enough fighting.
I mean... yeah, that actually is a fact and it really is a problem that the face of Eagle Union lacks any leadership persona or leadership appeal. A leaderless faction has no order or special qualities, it's dull and directionless. Just an interesting comment from T34/38 that I saw on the child post of this, of which that really made me think. Has this been discussed on reddit? I'm pretty new to actually engaging with the English fans about this game. Also isn't it weird how Enterprise is the only one facing sideways? It's like she doesn't belong among the rest and that goes back to what I commented on what T34 said.
I mean... yeah, that actually is a fact and it really is a problem that the face of Eagle Union lacks any leadership persona or leadership appeal. A leaderless faction has no order or special qualities, it's dull and directionless. Just an interesting comment from T34/38 that I saw on the child post of this, of which that really made me think. Has this been discussed on reddit? I'm pretty new to actually engaging with the English fans about this game. Also isn't it weird how Enterprise is the only one facing sideways? It's like she doesn't belong among the rest and that goes back to what I commented on what T34 said.
It’s also worth noting that of the 7 girls pictured, she’s the only one who isn’t a Battleship. Personally, I think the “leader” role for the Eagle Union will fall upon the shoulders of either Iowa or Missouri, whenever they show up, but that’s just my two cents.
I mean... yeah, that actually is a fact and it really is a problem that the face of Eagle Union lacks any leadership persona or leadership appeal. A leaderless faction has no order or special qualities, it's dull and directionless. Just an interesting comment from T34/38 that I saw on the child post of this, of which that really made me think. Has this been discussed on reddit? I'm pretty new to actually engaging with the English fans about this game. Also isn't it weird how Enterprise is the only one facing sideways? It's like she doesn't belong among the rest and that goes back to what I commented on what T34 said.
At the same time, she is pretty much the "face" of the Eagle Union. None of the other USS ships in-game are anywhere near as famous as her, and arguably even for the ones that aren't it'd be tough to beat her out. She's the one and only Grey Ghost, the Lucky E, the ship which as long as she still floated the IJN couldn't win. When I think EU, I immediately think Enterprise. Any ship that takes the spot from her when she is the literal face of the game will have to be well-designed and charismatic.
At the same time, she is pretty much the "face" of the Eagle Union. None of the other USS ships in-game are anywhere near as famous as her, and arguably even for the ones that aren't it'd be tough to beat her out. She's the one and only Grey Ghost, the Lucky E, the ship which as long as she still floated the IJN couldn't win. When I think EU, I immediately think Enterprise. Any ship that takes the spot from her when she is the literal face of the game will have to be well-designed and charismatic.
The only ship I could see taking the spot over Enterprise would be Iowa, in part because she carried FDR to the Tehran conference
I mean... yeah, that actually is a fact and it really is a problem that the face of Eagle Union lacks any leadership persona or leadership appeal. A leaderless faction has no order or special qualities, it's dull and directionless. Just an interesting comment from T34/38 that I saw on the child post of this, of which that really made me think. Has this been discussed on reddit? I'm pretty new to actually engaging with the English fans about this game. Also isn't it weird how Enterprise is the only one facing sideways? It's like she doesn't belong among the rest and that goes back to what I commented on what T34 said.
Wait isn't Brooklyn the EU representative in game?
I mean... yeah, that actually is a fact and it really is a problem that the face of Eagle Union lacks any leadership persona or leadership appeal. A leaderless faction has no order or special qualities, it's dull and directionless. Just an interesting comment from T34/38 that I saw on the child post of this, of which that really made me think. Has this been discussed on reddit? I'm pretty new to actually engaging with the English fans about this game. Also isn't it weird how Enterprise is the only one facing sideways? It's like she doesn't belong among the rest and that goes back to what I commented on what T34 said.
I've always thought of the Eagle Union as being a more loosely structured navy compared to the others. Being based on an American mindset, there is no directly enforceable hierarchy that you would see in most other older powers. Rather, based on events featuring them, Eagle Union leadership is based on battlefield merit, and it's hard to get more meritorious than the Big E. Gunboat diplomacy encourages a big stick, and an invincible CV is as big as a stick gets, so it makes sense that other Eagle ships would treat her as a leader, whether she likes it or not.
Really a ship Like the USS Missouri would be the first thought as a faction leader, it being the ship the war in the pacific ended on, but that ship doesn't exist yet in AL. Maybe Washington, as she had a meritorious service and was named after the first president, but that kind of flies in the face of the spirit of the ship's namesake.
That's really the Eagle Unions/America's whole deal right? No single leader holds absolute power. It's what separates them from the other major powers.
Enterprise reminds me of a character from the Witcher games called John Natalis. Coming from humble origins, Natalis made his name on the field of battle, proving to be a very competent soldier and, later, commander. When his country, Temeria, lost its King in an assassination, his popularity led to him becoming the temporary regent while the King's heirs were being located. Many commoners were happy with this, as Natalis represented hope to them, but Natalis himself was troubled because he found the responsibilities of running a country to be out of his league, and set forth trying to find the heirs as soon as possible. Whether he finds the heir or not, Temeria soon falls into a Guerilla war against Nilfgaard, an empire of immense power.
Enterprise is a soldier of grand renown, and just her appearance on the field implants hope to her allies and fear to her enemies, but that is what she is at the end of the day, a soldier, not a ruler. Her facing sideways here says to me that she is simply holding the place until her true master, most likely Iowa, appears, and when she does, the rest of the countries will tremble.
The only ship I could see taking the spot over Enterprise would be Iowa, in part because she carried FDR to the Tehran conference
Or Missouri, because she was the ship where the Japanese surrounded and ended WWll. She was also the last battleship commissioned by the United States and served multiple diplomatic missions. I think she would be a good contender, but that’s my opinion.
At the same time, she is pretty much the "face" of the Eagle Union. None of the other USS ships in-game are anywhere near as famous as her, and arguably even for the ones that aren't it'd be tough to beat her out. She's the one and only Grey Ghost, the Lucky E, the ship which as long as she still floated the IJN couldn't win. When I think EU, I immediately think Enterprise. Any ship that takes the spot from her when she is the literal face of the game will have to be well-designed and charismatic.
The same kind of logic can be applied to Elizabeth and Nagato too.
Typically when their factions are mentioned now the first one to pop in mind for Royal is Hood and for Sakura it would either be Yamato or Musashi (Which are being hinted at now so It's likely just a little more time for them to show up)
Or Missouri, because she was the ship where the Japanese surrounded and ended WWll. She was also the last battleship commissioned by the United States and served multiple diplomatic missions. I think she would be a good contender, but that’s my opinion.
My vote would go for New Jersey. She is most decorated battleship of the United States history after all.
How about Ping Hai and AnShan for Roc/PRC Navy?They are missing from the picture.
Yat-Sen would be more appropriate, since she is named after the founding father of RoC, and in-game she acts as the responsible big sister to Ning Hai and Ping Hai.
Who knows. I think most people would agree that in the end, its gonna be one of the Iowa-class ships.
Enterprise is here cause she actually does have leader skills. It's not based on what your title is. It's based on how your people see you and almost everyone See's Enterprise as a leader. Does she like the skill? Sure, but however the other ships see her as a leader, plus even if they did add the Iowa-Class ships they'll just be there as a ship not a flagship, because they never had a hand-to-hand combat like Enterprise. They were only used for Artillery firing...
During the king George quest line hood says that avora is the leader of the Northern parliament but I can’t find anywhere saying either Avora or Rossiya are the leader
The same kind of logic can be applied to Elizabeth and Nagato too.
Typically when their factions are mentioned now the first one to pop in mind for Royal is Hood and for Sakura it would either be Yamato or Musashi (Which are being hinted at now so It's likely just a little more time for them to show up)
Hood WAS the pride of the royal navy and by extension the UK. Yamato likewise was the pride of Japan. The only reason QE is regarded as the leader of the royal navy is the real ship was the flagship of the home fleet and the only one of her class to have been completed to design specifications.
ezekill said:
Seems the Vichya and the Libre are treated as the old "Iris" under Richelieu
As it should be, vichy France was nothing more than a nazi puppet state, not the legitimate government.
It would be nice if Augusta had a chance at being a leading figure in the Eagle Union. She was Prince of Wales' counterpart at the Atlantic Charter as well as one of the primary flagships of the US in the Atlantic and longest serving flagship of the Asiatic Fleet leading up to WWII, representing the US to China and Japan. Her skipper for the first years on station was Chester W. Nimitz. In 1937, she led the first US ships to call on Vladivostok since 1922 in a show of solidarity.
During the war, she served as headquarters ship for Patton at Casablanca, Omar Bradley at Normandy, and the Sitka group at South France which puts her at the center of close every major operation in Europe and Africa that the US contributed to. In addition to taking Roosevelt to the Atlantic Charter, she took President Truman on the first leg of the Potsdam Conference and back. Augusta was also the last of the treaty heavy cruisers to depart the reserve fleet at Philadelphia to be broken up in 1959, closing the door on that generation.
Augusta could easily be the Eagle Union ship most invested in ensuring the alliance's integrity. Unfortunately, it feels like she's close to non-canon status in Azur Lane since Iris of Light and Dark doesn't mention her (and Massachusetts outright claims to be flagship of the fleet in the event) nor does Prince of Wales or any other ship she's associated with. At this point, it would almost be retconning her in.
Isn't Saratoga is in command on Eagle Union? Am I the only one noticed this whenever there's a AL event and Eagle Union's involve, she gives direct orders passed down to NYC Naval Base?
Isn't Saratoga is in command on Eagle Union? Am I the only one noticed this whenever there's a AL event and Eagle Union's involve, she gives direct orders passed down to NYC Naval Base?
Maybe not in Command directly, but she's more the leading figure of the union girls, as she's often communication with the "higher ups". Enterprise is more of the elite warrior of the Eagle Union.
Armathos said: As it should be, vichy France was nothing more than a nazi puppet state, not the legitimate government.
In my perspective, both "French" faction in Azur Lane are like in a state of a civil-war and only the legit government will be treated as such. (Although with the Red Axis formed, it is obviously which one they'll recognize)
Garrus said: At the same time, she is pretty much the "face" of the Eagle Union. None of the other USS ships in-game are anywhere near as famous as her, and arguably even for the ones that aren't it'd be tough to beat her out. She's the one and only Grey Ghost, the Lucky E, the ship which as long as she still floated the IJN couldn't win. When I think EU, I immediately think Enterprise. Any ship that takes the spot from her when she is the literal face of the game will have to be well-designed and charismatic.
Being the "face" of the faction doesn't mean the person is pointed as the leader but akin to the "hero" aspect, because Lucky E was known for her exploits during WW2. Again Eagle Union still don't had the actual "leader" present yet, but with the coming of the Iowa-class, maybe the devs will show it. Although we got Saragossa who despite her looks, is the actual proxy commanding kansen.
But anyway, I notice (and late) that people wonder why in AL the leadership role picked to Nagato or Queen E. But the again, Nagato was the Flagship of the Combine Fleet during the whole course of the WW2
For Queen E, perhaps her name sharing a certain queen that is still ruling that might be a reference why she is at the helm of the leadership role for the Royal Navy despite there are other ships that had it.
I mean... yeah, that actually is a fact and it really is a problem that the face of Eagle Union lacks any leadership persona or leadership appeal. A leaderless faction has no order or special qualities, it's dull and directionless. Just an interesting comment from T34/38 that I saw on the child post of this, of which that really made me think. Has this been discussed on reddit? I'm pretty new to actually engaging with the English fans about this game. Also isn't it weird how Enterprise is the only one facing sideways? It's like she doesn't belong among the rest and that goes back to what I commented on what T34 said.
I wonder if that might be a result from how the original story in the Main story missions that were dropped after chapter three in the game seemed to set up the player as being a commander for the Eagle Union rather than them being the commander for Azur Lane the faction.
So in all this was discussed who is the leader of Eagle Union but no one mentioned that Rossiya is not the leader of Northern Parliament? (And that was already known at that time, Soyuz appears since 2020). Well, at this point it seems like the Eagle Union doesn't have a main leader, unlike the other factions. At least, not among the Kansen, because it seems that the Commander is the leader of the Eagle Union (it's obvious that he's from that faction. He's always with them and it's in Eagle Union Events where he has main participation) and characters like Memphis, Saratoga (And Georgia in Rondo at the Rainbowns End) are his assistants. Enterprise and New Jersey (and all the Iowa class when they appear) can be important and very relevant (I mean, they both have among their additional dialogues a phrase when they are in a full-Eagle Union fleet. Something that is mostly from faction leaders, or important figures like Hood. Although San Francisco also has but that is a meme. Although the one from NJ seems more like a joke compared to the one from Enterprise). But at Eagle Union events, the leader is the Commander. Now, if we talk about leader as a character that represents the Faction (I'm not talking in meetings, but symbolically), that's Enterprise. But at this point the commander is both. The commander of the Eagle Union who is also the Commander of Azur Lane when the factions must work together.
