Sad to say, I think the best the U.S. had during WW2 was able to push normally as around 36 to 39 knots/hr. Well the U.S. never was about out running, but to out fight them.
Sad to say, I think the best the U.S. had during WW2 was able to push normally as around 36 to 39 knots/hr. Well the U.S. never was about out running, but to out fight them.
You guys do realize that Tashkent could only go that fast when stripped of all weaponry?
That's may be true, but Tashkent is still clearly faster then Shimakaze. With a similar displacement and much more powerful engines, it's shouldn't really be a big surprise.
What was Tashkent's speed with all of her guns and such equipped? I've been looking around for that but couldn't find it.
I'll copypaste Russian wiki
December 28, 1937 the leader of the "Tashkent" was launched. On March 11, 1938, the leader's speed tests were conducted, at which, with a power of 130,000 hp. and a displacement of 3,422 tons, the ship reached a speed of 43.53 knots.
May 6, 1939 was transferred to shipbuilders of the Navy. Having made several trials, the leader was transferred for further completion to Nikolaev, where he was equipped with weapons.
Ah, but you fail to realize that 3,422 tons is actually greater than full load for Tashkent. Tashkent was delivered to the Soviet Union with no weapons, and for her speed trials she was given 3x1 130mm guns and extra ballast to compensate for the missing twin turrets.
Tashkent was, in fact, over-loaded for her speed trials, compared to stuff like Shimakaze, and especially compared to Le Fantasque, which completed its speed trials at empty load, with no ammo on board and minimal fuel reserves.
Ah, but you fail to realize that 3,422 tons is actually greater than full load for Tashkent. Tashkent was delivered to the Soviet Union with no weapons, and for her speed trials she was given 3x1 130mm guns and extra ballast to compensate for the missing twin turrets.
Tashkent was, in fact, over-loaded for her speed trials, compared to stuff like Shimakaze, and especially compared to Le Fantasque, which completed its speed trials at empty load, with no ammo on board and minimal fuel reserves.
No, if we go quote rus wiki again, 3,422 tons is only greater than normal displacement. Full load is listed as 4175 tons.
Sad to say, I think the best the U.S. had during WW2 was able to push normally as around 36 to 39 knots/hr. Well the U.S. never was about out running, but to out fight them.
Actually some of the late 30s destroyers that were still fairly small, but had the next generation of steam plants made over 40 knots when loaded light on trials, but overall the USN didn't purse dubiously useful high speeds. It could have given that it's steam plant technology was pretty much the best in the world at that point, but it choose use that technology for a smaller plants with higher thermal (fuel) efficiency rather then trying to extract the maximum possible power.
That allowed it's ships greater operational range (vital for pacific operations) and the smaller size helped allow the segmentation of the plant into two separate units, something almost no other nation did consistently with destroyers during the war. This was almsot certainly a better use then trying to ring a bit more blood from the stone speed wise.
Blue_Stuff said:
What was Tashkent's speed with all of her guns and such equipped? I've been looking around for that but couldn't find it.
Although apparently Shimakaze's speed varied as well. I'm quoting from this Reddit comment so it might be wrong, but:
That's 1/3rd and 2/3rds of consumables onboard. Her displacement for her 41 knot trial was about 2900 tons, full load being considered about 3300. That's a notably lower under-loading (12 vs 18%) then Tashkent had on her only know trial.
nicsor238 said:
No, if we go quote rus wiki again, 3,422 tons is only greater than normal displacement. Full load is listed as 4175 tons.
Yeah I don't know where that idea came from, Tash was huge the idea that 3,400 tons was even close to normal load is ridiculous. When she was actually in service she seems to have averaged something like 42 and change during her high speed blockade running operations, but she was never actually competed speed trails properly that I know of.
halseyttk said:
That's may be true, but Tashkent is still clearly faster then Shimakaze. With a similar displacement and much more powerful engines, it's shouldn't really be a big surprise.
Displacement isn't really similiar Tashkent is gigantic she's nearly a thousand tons heavier at full load and significantly larger in all dimensions.
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