Well since were on the topic of this "outrage" what other trigger/ganaz anime's caused a outrage like THIS? I mean i heard about the ones about evangelion and pantyastocking endings but what elese is there?
Another day of people overreacting over anime stuff, huh?
Without viewing the show, but if it's true that death threats were made then I have to agree with you and have to say that it's quite sad and shocking.
Without viewing the show, but if it's true that death threats were made then I have to agree with you and have to say that it's quite sad and shocking.
They were not true from what i heard AKA ever article or comment that talks about them cant source it.
without context im lost, what did the author do to this waifu that made everyone so upset?
Ichigo is in love with Hiro but Hiro is basically in a loving relationship with Code 02 so she tries constantly to break them up. In Ep 14 she almost succeeded and it was left on a cliffhanger.
I think it's fine to dislike a character all you want (it's only natural that you will dislike some) but when it ends up in name-calling and death threats I think you have gone a bit too far.
Ichigo is in love with Hiro but Hiro is basically in a loving relationship with Code 02 so she tries constantly to break them up. In Ep 14 she almost succeeded and it was left on a cliffhanger.
I can't help but think of all the times that the YouTube channel "Terrible Writing Advice" made jokes about how it's totally crucial to stop the whole plot, no matter what the size or scale of the conflict, to indulge in more love triangles, because EVERY story needs a love triangle. (For example...)
Ichigo is in love with Hiro but Hiro is basically in a loving relationship with Code 02 so she tries constantly to break them up. In Ep 14 she almost succeeded and it was left on a cliffhanger.
thanks for bringing me up to speed. *quickly abandon ship*
I can't help but think of all the times that the YouTube channel "Terrible Writing Advice" made jokes about how it's totally crucial to stop the whole plot, no matter what the size or scale of the conflict, to indulge in more love triangles, because EVERY story needs a love triangle. (For example...)
Oh joy, another Youtuber that has try being the smartest guy in the room, the guy that thinks subverting tropes and cliches makes him a legitimate critic that has superior taste compared to the rest of the world. When it makes him sound like a guy that mainly hates on things for fun and probably can't just enjoy something for what it is. His nasally whine when he speaks only adds to this image even further.
Also so lets talk about Franxx, a large part of the series is exploration of puberty, first love, building social connections and self exploration, among other things. So yes I would say the relationship drama is a valid part of the series and is part of the character progression that it heavily revolves around. Additionally It's not a love triangle, it's a huge dynamic web of relationships and possible romantic feelings, it's messy and very human in that way.
Franxx isn't perfect and there's plenty of things you can critique, plus like anything you can spend hours picking it apart if you want. However I do strongly believe that the romance and drama in the series is very much apart of the plot, it's a driving force in a story that so far primarily focuses around it's characters and how they grow up in this world that's seemingly a dystopian future where things like love and normal reproduction are concepts of the past.
Ichigo is in love with Hiro but Hiro is basically in a loving relationship with Code 02 so she tries constantly to break them up. In Ep 14 she almost succeeded and it was left on a cliffhanger.
In fairness to Ichigo the powers that be are basically manipulating the situation so that zero-two is ostracized and that the others are kept into the dark about a lot of things that the audience knows. While jealousy played a part, its fed into some legitimate concerns.
Oh joy, another Youtuber that has try being the smartest guy in the room, the guy that thinks subverting tropes and cliches makes him a legitimate critique that has superior taste to the rest of the world. When it makes him sound like a guy that mainly hates on things for fun and probably can't just enjoy something for what it is. His nasally whine when he speaks only adds to this image even further.
Also so lets talk about Franxx, a large part of the series is exploration of puberty, first love, building social connections and self exploration, among other things. So yes I would say the relationship drama is a valid part of the series and is part of the character progression that it heavily revolves around. Additionally It's not a love triangle, it's a huge dynamic web of relationships and possible romantic feelings, it's messy and very human in that way.
Franxx isn't perfect and there's plenty of things you can critique, plus like anything you can spend hours picking it apart if you want. However I do strongly believe that the romance and drama in the series is very much apart of the plot, it's a driving force in a story that so far seems to primarily focus around it's characters and how they grow up in this world that's seemingly a dystopian future where things like love and normal reproduction are concepts of the past.
Sometimes, it's better to just enjoy the joke for what it is, rather than reflexively passing judgement. (Not that there isn't valid criticism to be made, mind you, I could certainly go into some, but it doesn't invalidate the entire concept of criticism just because the guy has a nasal voice.)
My point is more that people are ignoring that drama of how the characters grow up, or the dystopian future parts because there's a girl who doesn't belong in their favorite shipping, so her dying for their ship is the only thing that matters.
Oh joy, another Youtuber that has try being the smartest guy in the room, the guy that thinks subverting tropes and cliches makes him a legitimate critique that has superior taste to the rest of the world. When it only makes him sound like a guy that mainly hates on things for fun and probably can't just enjoy something for what it is. His nasally whine when he speaks only adds to this image even further.
The channel is satire and the frictional comments are the jokes. And when you already see that the channel is called "Terrible Writing Advices", pretending that he's trying to preach a religion is just having the entire channel fly over your head in a UFO.
Oh a related note, I personally find the rage over Ichigo confusing though. Did people seriously think they were gonna abandon Zero-Two forever? Did people seriously think Ichigo was gonna be the one true love after ep14? People are so trope-blind towards this show I'd be hard pressed to think they aren't 13 years old and this is their first ever anime.
I see Ichigo getting a lot of flak for being "selfish" despite her constantly claiming all she do is "for the team" while Hiro and Zero-Two hardly ever had any thoughts in their brain except how much they wanna fuck each other. You can argue that her claims for the best of the team is a lie, but then Zero-Two on the other hand won't even pretend to care that everyone on earth dies if it means she can still get the Darling D. So yeah, I'm not sure how blind you must be to think Ichigo is more selfish than your little Dino-Waifu.
It just seems like Ichigo haters are really cherry-picking things and intentionally misinterpreting several characters and scenes just to exacerbate the hate. It's just part of today's culture that being able to tell someone how much you hate something is cool, when so few ever thought about the justification for said hate. I have a lot of things I hate, but hating just to jump on the hatewagon is just immature and toxic.
I don't even like Ichigo, or anyone in the cast not named Goro that matter. So I'm taking both it and its fans' response apart by what I feel is rational. If you think it's me having a stick up my ass, well our mileages vary. I don't want to just "enjoy anime for what it is", I want something I will remember fondly for years to come, and I want to be clear to myself about the reasons why I feel that way.
Isn’t that also partly because the previous episode successfully established Zero Two as victim that need sympathy?
In earlier episodes it doesn’t matter much because Zero Two is strong and don’t give a fuck while Ichigo is fighting for her turf. They will just laugh it out as Zero Two one sidedly stomp on squad 13.
But now Zero Two became the precious fragile girl on verge of breaking to pieces and have to be defended by the audience.
Ichigo have to do both the love rival and squad leader. The misstep she do that episode would be being alone with Hiro. If she also had Goro, or anyone else in the room, the reaction could be better.
The problem I have is that allot of people raging at Ichigo seem to have no perspective on the fact Zero two was/is basically a sociopathic serial killer because she's hot and 'quriky', so they act like Blueberry wanting the Dino away from her friend/love interest and being willing to push things to do it is somehow 'bitchy' or some massive 'betrayal' or whatever. But maybe they need to step back and think with their heads instead of their dicks and ask: Zero Two has knowingly killed how many fucking people now for basically entirely selfish reasons and acted like a jack ass to how many others? I don't even want to hear any shit about her being forced to kill all those guys either, she's clearly too valuable to disappear and she knows it, she could just refuse to get in the robot, but she gives zero shit about the lives of anyone but her 'darling' and her own neurosis.
Truly I can't see why anyone beside a 'jealous bitch' wouldn't want a friend associating with this wonderful and loving girl.
The tired love triangle angle wasn't really needed though, they could have simply had them want to be rid of her cause she is as noted an abrasive and uncaring sociopath with no concern for others whose pretty clearly killing their friend (even if it actually is unintentional this time since she actually gives a shit about this one life).
Didn't you know? Being hot or cute can excuse you from a lot of bad things, I'd give some examples but people would just downvote me for it so I'd rather not.
Didn't you know? Being hot or cute can excuse you from a lot of bad things, I'd give some examples but people would just downvote me for it so I'd rather not.
It didn't work out so well for Peri from Fire Emblem: Fates, though. She's pretty widely hated as a "WTF was Intelligent Systems thinking?!", although the fact that she's not a MAIN GIRL yandere probably hurts.
It's in the presentation. As long as your waifu sticks to killing randos no one cares about, they could be mass murderers for all the otakus care.
That's the exact reason things like that one horrid book about moefying historical tyrants like Hitler and Pol Pot got published a few years back, the otakus doesn't personally know anyone involved in those events or most likely, doesn't even care about historicity, that's why their brain ended up registering only with "kawaii = me likey, me fuck!" and stopped there.
Zero Two was presented as exactly that, the exotic, hypercompetent waifu tied by a red string to Hiro who is always eager for sex 24/7.
Who cares if she killed all the other pilots? They don't have names, and the story outright said "use as many as you like" when they showed the other expendable pilot partners for her in ep14 and in ep15 mangled corpse of the supposed unlucky pilot who should have been on Strelizia with Zero Two during her rampage was suspiciously absent, as if they know that showing said corpse would ruin the mood for that dumb "I love you so much Darling!" scene that comes after.
That's why in comparison despite having legitimate concerns, since Ichigo was constantly portrayed as being incompetent, she just served to be a jumping platform for Zero Two fans to say she's the worst girl who doesn't deserve Hiro or more importantly, doesn't deserve to get in the way of Dino Waifu's happiness.
I don't think fan backlash counts as current events in the typical sense. People not liking an anime character is not really publicity worthy outside of topics about that anime. It probably should be removed from the pool.
As far as I can tell, this is just another day on the internet.
It's in the presentation. As long as your waifu sticks to killing randos no one cares about, they could be mass murderers for all the otakus care.
That's the exact reason things like that one horrid book about moefying historical tyrants like Hitler and Pol Pot got published a few years back, the otakus doesn't personally know anyone involved in those events or most likely, doesn't even care about historicity, that's why their brain ended up registering only with "kawaii = me likey, me fuck!" and stopped there.
Zero Two was presented as exactly that, the exotic, hypercompetent waifu tied by a red string to Hiro who is always eager for sex 24/7.
Who cares if she killed all the other pilots? They don't have names, and the story outright said "use as many as you like" when they showed the other expendable pilot partners for her in ep14 and in ep15 mangled corpse of the supposed unlucky pilot who should have been on Strelizia with Zero Two during her rampage was suspiciously absent, as if they know that showing said corpse would ruin the mood for that dumb "I love you so much Darling!" scene that comes after.
That's why in comparison despite having legitimate concerns, since Ichigo was constantly portrayed as being incompetent, she just served to be a jumping platform for Zero Two fans to say she's the worst girl who doesn't deserve Hiro or more importantly, doesn't deserve to get in the way of Dino Waifu's happiness.
I remember watching a video on how cinematography tells a story using the Michael Bay Transformers movies as an example.
The main romantic interest girl is portrayed within the actual text of the story as always being competent, intelligent, empowered in the literary sense (as in, she forms plans and carries them out within the narrative sense in a manner that makes her a driving character in the plot) and skeptical of Witwickey's constant stream of BS, with her main problem being that everyone constantly underestimates her for her low-class upbringing and think she's just a pretty tramp.
The CAMERA, however, is shoved straight up her ass staring at her skin-tight bluejeans, and Megan Fox has makeup and hair made to look like a porn star.
The result is that most of the audience (at least, the ones that kept watching those movies, apparently...) thought of her as a brain-dead bimbo, even though the text of the movie was telling them she was not because the camera was.
It's in the presentation. As long as your waifu sticks to killing randos no one cares about, they could be mass murderers for all the otakus care.
That's the exact reason things like that one horrid book about moefying historical tyrants like Hitler and Pol Pot got published a few years back, the otakus doesn't personally know anyone involved in those events or most likely, doesn't even care about historicity, that's why their brain ended up registering only with "kawaii = me likey, me fuck!" and stopped there.
There's a difference between the novelty of seeing kawaii Hitler and talking about a dystopian setting where the lives of an entire chaste of people are considered expendable.
Its why Dark Heresy has the Radical's Handbook: Some people like the idea of going with a dangerous and possibly uncontrollable element in order to defeat a greater evil. Whether this element is using the very evil you wish to destroy or recruiting a daemon via the use of a (likely unwillingly) psyker's body.
I Don't think the idea is about dehumanizing them. Hiro explicitly is mentioned creating nicknames for the rest of the main cast, which is mentioned as being outside of normal procedure, but tolerated for its beneficial qualities for the team. Zero-Two is a berserker, and is tolerated because she is effective. Whether or not this is the writers whitewashing her character, her burning through partners is indicated to be more on whoever is running the show, since they are basically just throwing expendable bodies to be used up.
At least for me, I view Zero-Two as a force of nature, well beyond comparison to regular humans. I mean she's an Oni and acts like an oni. While she is sociopathic and violent, I figure'd that the flashback with lil red oni was indicating it wasn't her nature to be violent, but more of all the things done to her. She's the embodiment of Rip and Tear, with her having some similarities to the Doom Slayer's personification: He is shown to have humanity and empathy (he does save the AO after all) but he's also implied to be the traitor to his people and his rage heavily focuses into that.
I dunno, I like her character, she's interesting and rips and tears.
I understand that. I'm not trying to bash Zero Two as a character, I'm saying she is and has been a rabid dog ever since ep1. So whatever bad things she commit you can blame on her owner for not keeping a good watch on that leash.
If you understand that Zero Two is a rabid animal and like her because of that, good, I have no quarrels with you.
But I'm talking about her fans who think Zero Two is blameless merely for either her status as the main heroine, because she is an effective weapon, or because she is attractive and most of her dialogues are dedicated to telling everyone just how much she wants to fuck Darling, then proceeds to overlook all her flaws and consequentially treats other characters(mainly Ichigo) as trash for merely being in Zero Two's way. That's just dumb.
I understand that. I'm not trying to bash Zero Two as a character, I'm saying she is and has been a rabid dog ever since ep1. So whatever bad things she commit you can blame on her owner for not keeping a good watch on that leash.
Eh, I think her character development is going more towards her being more human and accountable. I'd have issues if she was ultimately just an object with no deeper depth, but I am a sucker for berserkers with depth to them, even if it is muted.
I dunno, I like her character, she's interesting and rips and tears.
The thing I'm more talking about is that a lot of people seem to be unable to separate "interesting" from "wholly sympathizing with/using as a wish fulfillment vehicle".
To use another series I've been reading as an example, the main character started out weak and needing protection from other characters, with one of the pseudo-love interests starting out vastly more powerful than him and becoming his mentor as he became stronger and more acclimated to the world he was in. The other major love interests were already strong and are eventually eclipsed by the main character's rapid growth, but still pull their weight. Then, a new love interest character was added who was just as much a helpless fledgling as the main character as he started out, and he rescued her and tried to train her up to having enough strength to survive on her own, while having to rescue her again on two separate occasions because he's now routinely tangling with major powers.
In terms of what she brings to the plot, she's interesting, as this story was always a sort of deconstructive take on the isekai genre, and she's basically added in to reinforce the main character's growth by having to make the same journey he made, but with the main character now being the mentorship and protection he needed from others before.
As a romantic interest, she's also interesting because she's almost totally dependent upon the main character for survival as he inadvertently puts her in far greater danger by mentoring her and leaving her marked by his powerful enemies. She's also a classmate (the class rep) from his previous normal life, and connects to him as an ordinary person far more than the ancient witch loli who enjoys butchering hordes of people to harvest their souls for magic power.
Whenever she appeared, though, there was a sizable contingent of the comments section that kept hating her and wishing she'd just die because she's not strong enough to get action scenes like the other love interest characters. (Although just the fact that she's a class rep tends to draw hate...) The fact that she serves plot purpose or adds perspective isn't important, only how big an explosion she can create is.
Not really, people just seem to be unable to see beyond 3 things.
1) That might doesn't make right. And might doesn't make for better written characters. It's the exact reason why power level debates like Goku VS Superman get so flammable is that people think stronger character means better character. Ergo in this case Zero Two is stronger than Ichigo, therefore she is a better character than Ichigo.
This extends to moral righteousness as well. So since Ichigo is weak and the story constantly portrays her as being incompetent as both a fighter, leader and friend, that means she is a bitch devoid of morality. Other subtexts or heck, texts, be damned.
2) That a character they like may not necessarily be good. This applies to "good" in terms of everything from morality, competency and well-writtenness. It's like people are afraid to admit they like a "villain" or a "bad person" or something, which is why when they find a character they "enjoy", they'll deny to hell and back that said character can't not be the perfect paragon or morality.
Or alternatively and ironically with how people often mistakes edgy anti-heroes as immediately being "deep", they will deny that this morally-gray character they like(Zero Two) cannot be shallower than a morally upright one(Ichigo).
3) That "she is muh waifu and muh waifu can do no wrong". This goes back to the people liking things like loli Hitler for no reason than the looks. That's just the epitome of thinking with your dick rather than your head. It's dumb.