Uhhhh.... Grilled bread crusts with cheese and ketchup over it? T_T

thatjerk said:

Uhhhh.... Grilled bread crusts with cheese and ketchup over it? T_T

Sounds Canadian.

can i have a menu? I never that size pizza be4

The taste of poor. One no one should ever have to taste.

Probably still better than Little Caesars.

Done properly, it's a non-terrible snack-type food. I mean, I can just get pizza toast from the supermarket already, and that's just bread with some sort of tomato sauce and mystery cheese on it.

I guess the Ducks are the kind to make pasta with ketchup or grated cheese topping and call it a day.

Kinda reminds me of roti kok in my region. Basically a piece of bread, or bread crust, coated with butter and sugar, then bake it.

Shebadotfr said:

I guess the Ducks are the kind to make pasta with ketchup or grated cheese topping and call it a day.

That's... well, it's even come up in Ido's stuff before. Pasta Naporitan.

Admittedly, it's supposed to be made with other toppings, like mushrooms and bacon and stuff, but the store-bought basic Naporitan is just the sauce and noodles. And the 25-yen pack is powdered tomato and soba. (At least it's fresh-ish, not dried).

Well Iowa, I mean the Americans, is the one person(?) who would most dearly pity them in this game.

"Hey, ever heard of Lend-Lease?"

somemadao said:

Probably still better than Little Caesars.

Eh, I honestly believe there really is no such thing as bad pizza, barring deliberate attempts to make it awful. Ceaser is pretty low grade, but I've eaten it when I wanted Pizza and it was the nearest or only place around. It's like one step above frozen stuff from the supermarket, but I don't have an oven in my car so you know.

This honestly wouldn't be that bad either if you used some kind of actual seasoned tomato sauce and a reasonable grade of cheese pizza bread/bagels/English muffins etc is a think in the US too.

laisy said:

roti kok

My occasional breakfast with a cup of Milo.

Tk3997 said:

This honestly wouldn't be that bad either if you used some kind of actual seasoned tomato sauce and a reasonable grade of cheese pizza bread/bagels/English muffins etc is a think in the US too.

Unfortunately, Japanese bread is sweet enough that even a stereotypical cola-fiend American would find it overly-sweet. It's quite off putting.

Paracite said:

Unfortunately, Japanese bread is sweet enough that even a stereotypical cola-fiend American would find it overly-sweet. It's quite off putting.

They're all usually sweet? None of the cheese bread variety?

The bread itself is made with excess sugar, doesn't matter what you doing to it. You can get sweet breads on top of that. With more sugar.

Iowa is going to take the girls out for hamburgers, I'll bet.

Paracite said:

Unfortunately, Japanese bread is sweet enough that even a stereotypical cola-fiend American would find it overly-sweet. It's quite off putting.

Sounds different from bread made in Hong Kong, or other parts of Asia then.

Jarlath said:

Iowa is going to take the girls out for hamburgers, I'll bet.

Sounds different from bread made in Hong Kong, or other parts of Asia then.

Well, that's how it tastes to me. Chinese bakeries back in NZ tasted super-sweet to me too.

The feeding the ducks pool is just depressing... =<

OMGkillitwithfire said:

My occasional breakfast with a cup of Milo.

I only had a cup of Milo you know... except I put 4 spoonful with a tiny portion of condensed milk... Way too sweet...

Paracite said:

Well, that's how it tastes to me. Chinese bakeries back in NZ tasted super-sweet to me too.

Ah yes, the sort of breads we Asians in general seem to bake for/to imitate foreign tastes...

You don't get real Chinese bread for example until you get into steamed bread from a street stall territory, that that, I assure you, unless it is intended to be of a sweet variety, is most assuredly not sweet.

somemadao said:

Probably still better than Little Caesars.

Thems fighting words. You can't ask for a better cheese or pepperoni pizza, especially for 5 dollars. I remember an associate who frequently paid $10 for A slice of pepperoni pizza saying it was the best, then I gave him a ceasars pizza and he realized how hard he was scammed.

Guardian54 said:

You don't get real Chinese bread for example until you get into steamed bread from a street stall territory, that that, I assure you, unless it is intended to be of a sweet variety, is most assuredly not sweet.

Oh, I have. I'm just talking about boring white bread; like what they're using for the pizza there. Getting that from the Chinese bakeries, made for Chinese people, connected to a Chinese supermarket, in a Chinese area, was still sweet. I've had real mantou, from a stall, during Chinese New Year no less, and I know it's not sweet.

The Chinese restaurants in New Zealand are most certainly not westernized - sometimes half the menu isn't even translated, being the chicken feet and uteri and whatnot.

However, the Korean cake stores were terrible.

The majority of 'western' bakeries were run by Vietnamese and Cambodians, and the bread wasn't sweet - it was only in those not orientated to westerners.

(In all cases, bread = sliced sandwich/toast bread, not buns or whatever)

Tk3997 said:

Eh, I honestly believe there really is no such thing as bad pizza, barring deliberate attempts to make it awful. Ceaser is pretty low grade, but I've eaten it when I wanted Pizza and it was the nearest or only place around. It's like one step above frozen stuff from the supermarket, but I don't have an oven in my car so you know.

This honestly wouldn't be that bad either if you used some kind of actual seasoned tomato sauce and a reasonable grade of cheese pizza bread/bagels/English muffins etc is a think in the US too.

Little Caesar pizza is pretty good. Not great, mind you, but still pretty good. And that's before considering that you can get a medium pepperoni pie for $5.

Pizza is like sex -- even when it's bad, it's still good.Except Chicago's world famous pizza-themed casserole. Fuck that shit.

On one hand, thats pretty depressing they had to resort to that for pizza.

On the other hand, that's the sort of ingenuity someone born on the heels of the Great Depression can appreciate. I'd be crying conflicted tears too.

Paracite said:

Oh, I have. I'm just talking about boring white bread; like what they're using for the pizza there. Getting that from the Chinese bakeries, made for Chinese people, connected to a Chinese supermarket, in a Chinese area, was still sweet. I've had real mantou, from a stall, during Chinese New Year no less, and I know it's not sweet.

The Chinese restaurants in New Zealand are most certainly not westernized - sometimes half the menu isn't even translated, being the chicken feet and uteri and whatnot.

However, the Korean cake stores were terrible.

The majority of 'western' bakeries were run by Vietnamese and Cambodians, and the bread wasn't sweet - it was only in those not orientated to westerners.

(In all cases, bread = sliced sandwich/toast bread, not buns or whatever)

East Asian baked breads (as opposed to traditional steamed ones) are usually some bastardized variation of Brioche, an enriched bread with added sugar, butter milk, and egg. Also, an egg wash (containing sugar) is usually applied near the end of the baking process to impart color and gloss.

These kind of breads tend to be sweet. Hardly surprising, considering they are halfway between a bread and a pastry.

Examples include Hong Kong/Chinese sausage and char siew buns, Japanese anpan and melonpan, and Korean Gyeran-ppang. Even the sliced sandwich bread are frequently enriched with vegetable oil (butter's too expensive), milk powder (or some sort of dairy derivative like casein), egg, and additional sugar (sometimes they straight-up add lactose).

Serious question: where's Rome when you need her?

here in PH, the typical pullman is neutral though it has some sugar but I dont find it overly sweet or lack of there off,
then there's the "healthy" full-grain variant which is more into the bitter-sweet side or total lack of there off,
as for asian or east asian bread typically the anpan or its variants there off has bread/dough tend to be in the sweet range, and then I should just skip the artisan bread stuff since well I'm not exactly sure whats going on, SG's pork floss bread tends to have a sweet dough it not a sweet wash.
and then we get the staple baguette which tastes like a pullman bread but is more... hardy

Jarlath said:

Iowa is going to take the girls out for hamburgers, I'll bet.

White Castle, In-N-Out Burger, making your own with fresh ground beef, or bust.

Paracite said:

Well, that's how it tastes to me. Chinese bakeries back in NZ tasted super-sweet to me too.

I see you've never visited decent Chinese bakeries, then. The better ones do as well with Western as the French-trained ones I've visited. Better than many, anyways. More so in Hong Kong.

Paracite said:

Oh, I have. I'm just talking about boring white bread; like what they're using for the pizza there. Getting that from the Chinese bakeries, made for Chinese people, connected to a Chinese supermarket, in a Chinese area, was still sweet. I've had real mantou, from a stall, during Chinese New Year no less, and I know it's not sweet.

The Chinese restaurants in New Zealand are most certainly not westernized - sometimes half the menu isn't even translated, being the chicken feet and uteri and whatnot.

However, the Korean cake stores were terrible.

The majority of 'western' bakeries were run by Vietnamese and Cambodians, and the bread wasn't sweet - it was only in those not orientated to westerners.

(In all cases, bread = sliced sandwich/toast bread, not buns or whatever)

Maybe it's due to wherever those people immigrated from? Id expect the Vietnamese to do better, in my experience, as they've gotten a lot of French influences - and the bread they use for banh mi definitely isn't sweetened, brioche style.

I'll still eat Little Caesars if it's put in front of me, but i used to live next to a 7-11 and a Little Caesars and I really preferred to get the $7.11 medium pepperoni special every time (when they started offering them). Then when they jacked up the price to $9.99 I was conflicted at first but kept going anyway despite it costing twice as much.

I thought Caesars was the worst, then I lived in the Philippines for 9 months and Dexter's there is just goddamn horrible. The cheese and toppings look like plastic decorations. The ham looked like spam. So-called german sausage were just sliced hot dog. Pies baked at low temp for a long time instead of high temp for a short time. But I still ate it despite hating it because the pizza wasn't the worst thing happening to me (the only reason I was in the Philippines in the first place was because my Filipino dad was dying, then died)

If you want pizza made from sliced wheat bread as the crust, you can get acceptable ones at my fav bar in Portland, OR -- the goose hollow inn. The name and description in the menu will grab you but it's just a slice of pizza on a slice of wheat bread. You'll feel hollow and disappointed. "I don't know what I expected" you'll say out loud as you jealously look on at your buddies with their mouth-watering reubens and corned beef briskets. "I paid $9 for this." Yeah, and considering your bad judgment you probably got the shitty beer too

Nothing is more serious than pizza.

Ah yes, reminds me of the days yore. Take a piece of white bread, spread some ketchup on it, cover it with a cheese slice, and then put some cheap sausage cuts on it. Shove it in the oven for few minutes and then call it pizza. Can't say I missed those times. Things certainly have improved today, of course.

I guess when it comes to Pizza, when money is lacking, we simply go back to its roots. A poor man's dinner.

These comments remind me of the student times when I had to live in a room without a kitchen. Pickles and cheese sandwich all day everyday...

Jarlath said:

I see you've never visited decent Chinese bakeries, then. The better ones do as well with Western as the French-trained ones I've visited. Better than many, anyways. More so in Hong Kong.

Yeah, most of the Chinese bakeries (as in for Chinese people, not just operated by them) were pretty terrible overall; but there certainly were some good ones, just not in my area; maybe they were just really cheaping out on ingredients. Had to go out to where all the Taiwanese immigrated in the '80s.

Maybe it's due to wherever those people immigrated from? Id expect the Vietnamese to do better, in my experience, as they've gotten a lot of French influences - and the bread they use for banh mi definitely isn't sweetened, brioche style.

No, no - the Cambodian and Viet bakeries were good - even getting meat pies right! These are bakeries pretty much selling only Western breads (and pastries and cakes and whatnot) - although some of the 'salad rolls' were quite bahn mi-ish. But if I wanted that, there were Subway-style bahn mi joints that I could have gone to.

Paracite said:

Yeah, most of the Chinese bakeries (as in for Chinese people, not just operated by them) were pretty terrible overall; but there certainly were some good ones, just not in my area; maybe they were just really cheaping out on ingredients. Had to go out to where all the Taiwanese immigrated in the '80s.

Might be one of a few things:

1) not quite as sweet for the cakes as Western bakeries, most importantly REAL Chinese baked goods have no frosting.
2) no tradition of using butter in baked foods. As a side note, it's better for your health this way.
3) AFAIK Relatively low baked flour-based food tradition compared to, say, steamed, or even pan-seared really (Chinese pancakes), even lower in terms of baked sweet flour-based foods.

Guardian54 said:

Might be one of a few things:

1) not quite as sweet for the cakes as Western bakeries, most importantly REAL Chinese baked goods have no frosting.
2) no tradition of using butter in baked foods. As a side note, it's better for your health this way.
3) AFAIK Relatively low baked flour-based food tradition compared to, say, steamed, or even pan-seared really (Chinese pancakes), even lower in terms of baked sweet flour-based foods.

Nope, just shitty goods in general. I know what good Chinese baked goods are, I've eaten them - hell, I've made them myself; it's not a matter of not matching a Western palate.

I hasten to point out that a 'bakery' in NZ parlance is not a cake shop. Indeed, the that were near my house had very few cakes, and sweet products in general. Pies, sausage rolls, sandwiches and various loaves of bread were the order of the day - aimed squarely at the savory side of the equation. Certainly, lamingtons, jam squares and apple pies were available, but you wouldn't expect those to be in a 'bakery', it's just a nice bonus.

There was (and is) a suspicion that the shitty bakeries are immigration scams, you don't have to be successful to get that business visa, and while it's a non-inconsiderable amount of work running a bakery, you can shave some of that time away making sub-par goods. That, and the people running it might not be experienced bakers. Beats running a restaurant, at any rate.

(The big thing in immigration scam shops in NZ are tiny fashion stores (think single room), though)

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