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Children who play "Let's Hunt Youkai" are told valuable lessons after this ._. Leave youkai huntin to the adults and/or experts and you won't have to pay a for a mistake with your Life ^^; all those pretend games of "lets beat the bad guy" etc highly discouraged ^^;
Keylo57 said: Candidate for soul crushing depressing as well? Or nullified by the incoming rape from Mystia? :P
Nullified. Vengeance shall be had for the innocent sparrows. Mystia is a very weak youkai, but three little asshole kids who wouldn't know danmaku from the wedgies they probably give other kids are right up her ally. She and Rumia will be dining VERY well tonight.
Either way though, I believe we are in agreement that the slaughter of those asshole kids is morally justified so... *orders grilled lamprey eel in approval*
Keylo57 said: Either way though, I believe we are in agreement that the slaughter of those asshole kids is morally justified so... *orders grilled lamprey eel in approval*
argnator said: Don't worry, she'll sing a song and make them blind so they can't see her EVISCERATE THEIR HATEFUL ASSES!!!
Eviscerate them and share the meal with Rumia, no doubt. I don't think Cirno and Daiyousei will want to join that meal, though. Pretty sure fairies don't eat people.
Those kids would have to donate ALOT of money to get Reimu to save them. I'm sure even Reimu considers anyone that directly provokes a youkai like that is too dumb to live. After all there's a very good reason all kids are taught never to abuse flowers.
Lick_King said: I'm somewhat surprised and relieved that no one left a comment to defend those kids.
Considering the surprisingly strong reaction people have put forward, would you try and defend them?
Plus, there's no way to justify killing chicks in such a way. They didn't kill them for a meal otherwise there'd be no remains. From what we can see, they thwacked a nest out of a tree and killed everything inside because they could.
If only they knew that a vengeful yõkai was watching over it, they'd've lived to be disciplined another day...
Wait. Is that a boy who apparently impressed two girls by smashing a bird nest and killing the birds? Or do the three of them just have no idea what they've done?
People surprised me more than once in this kind of situation, you see. I always saw at least one person go about talking about stuff like "humans are privileged to do this" and whatnot.
Lick_King said: People surprised me more than once in this kind of situation, you see. I always saw at least one person go about talking about stuff like "humans are privileged to do this" and whatnot.
Wow, what? That's ridiculous.
... I do have to defend the kids, though, in so far as they're, you know, kids. They are licensed morons. What they did is terrible, and they should be taught a good lesson about it. But tearing them apart to the point where there's no one left to learn the lesson, and to think that that's justice... that's just cruel and nothing else. An eye for an eye makes the whole world et cetera.
Keylo57 said: Either way though, I believe we are in agreement that the slaughter of those asshole kids is morally justified so... *orders grilled lamprey eel in approval*
That's not eel...
Fawriel said: Wow, what? That's ridiculous.
... I do have to defend the kids, though, in so far as they're, you know, kids. They are licensed morons. What they did is terrible, and they should be taught a good lesson about it. But tearing them apart to the point where there's no one left to learn the lesson, and to think that that's justice... that's just cruel and nothing else. An eye for an eye makes the whole world et cetera.
I find this to be more like nature in progress. Packs defend their own with just as much force even when someone isn't even dead.
... I do have to defend the kids, though, in so far as they're, you know, kids. They are licensed morons. What they did is terrible, and they should be taught a good lesson about it. But tearing them apart to the point where there's no one left to learn the lesson, and to think that that's justice... that's just cruel and nothing else. An eye for an eye makes the whole world et cetera.
No, seriously. I've seen.
Well, when I said 'defend the kids' I meant justify their torturing and killing the birds and nothing about Mystia's actions. I didn't mention it above, but I don't believe in revenge myself. Mystia killing the kids would be going overboard by a large margin.
Lick_King said: Mystia killing the kids would be going overboard by a large margin.
What will you do if your kids/someone precious to you got killed? I know I'll do my best to make the killer feel the exact same feeling their victim felt.
cybeast said: What will you do if your kids/someone precious to you got killed? I know I'll do my best to make the killer feel the exact same feeling their victim felt.
Besides, Mystia is a youkai. For them, human are like cattles. The question isn't "how would you act if your kids were killed?", but rather "how would you act if a rabbit killed your kids?".
FRien said: Besides, Mystia is a youkai. For them, human are like cattles. The question isn't "how would you act if your kids were killed?", but rather "how would you act if a rabbit killed your kids?".
In older times they treated them like cattle. Not anymore though. Have you read Perfect Memento in Strict Sense?
cybeast said: What will you do if your kids/someone precious to you got killed? I know I'll do my best to make the killer feel the exact same feeling their victim felt.
I wouldn't. I'll want payback, probably in greater magnitude of pain, but not in terms of immediate violence.
Besides, it doesn't end with Mystia killing the kids. That simply leads to an endless cycle of revenge and bloodlust. I'm not saying Mystia should forgive the kids. I'm saying the circumstances caused by blind vengeance isn't really worth the satisfaction of revenge.
Byakugan01 said: In older times they treated them like cattle. Not anymore though. Have you read Perfect Memento in Strict Sense?
Have you read Imperishable Night? Youkais aren't exactly treating human like cattle (not anymore, at least), but they're still quite arrogant, not hesitating to pick a fight for a petty reason (being called a mosquito for wriggle, and just being here for mystia). So, tell me, is there anything in PMiSS saying "kids killing babies birds won't be torn into pieces and eaten alive by a pissed off mean-looking bird youkai"? Because if you find one, I swear I'll disguise myself as a Jiang Shi at the next convention.
Oh no. Not denying THAT. Just the idea of humans as livestock. Youkai can definitely be quite arrogant. And on the second case...well, I follow the Terry Pratchet defintion of suicide. Those kids just commited suicide. If humans go out of their way to provoke youkai into murderous rage, then it's their own fault.
What they did was wrong and I don't blame Mystia for wanting vengeance, but I hope someone, human or youkai, saves them so that they can learn from what they did and redeem themselves later in the future.
So...you guys think it's okay for her to hunt humans for sport but it's not ok for random kids to kill her birds for fun? That's pretty hypocritical. She got what was coming to her.
The real issue here is that those kids are --well-- still kids.
If they were some idiot adults with full awareness of what they did, then you can simply say they were asking for retribution.
But those are kids. It's kind of a different story then. If you'd notice, kids can be pretty stupid sometimes, like in this picture. But you'd also notice that most of those stupidity weren't really out of well defined choices. Being children, they're still in the phase of developing their social senses, including why is it wrong to kill birds. All they saw was they were having fun.
Morals don't come with you as you were bred. It's the opposite, babies are selfish. You only learn how to fit with society's standards as you grow. Not to mention children aren't the best in the controlling their emotions.
I'm not saying that what they did isn't wrong; they still need to be taught a lesson somehow about what they've done. But to outright kill them is... in my opinion it's pretty unjust. Like you're forgetting several factors in the incident here just to focus on the vengeance part.
Not to mention we also have to take into account just how sentient birds in Gensokyo are. Are they at human/youkai level? Are they at animal level? And what's Mystia's relation to them really? Depending on the answer Mystia's reaction can outright turn into an overreaction.
Another story could be that something/someone else was attacking those birds and the boy scared it off (and impressed the girls) but it was too late. Mystia saw what we see there and raged. Free murder for everyone!
Well said, Philemon. That's the reason why nobody supports the death penalty for children. They don't have a full grasp of morality or ethics. There should be some sort of punishment so they can learn their lesson, but to want them to be killed is like saying it's OK to put kids through the electric chair or lethal injection.
Just_John said: Well said, Philemon. That's the reason why nobody supports the death penalty for children. They don't have a full grasp of morality or ethics. There should be some sort of punishment so they can learn their lesson, but to want them to be killed is like saying it's OK to put kids through the electric chair or lethal injection.
Can't quite remember where but I do believe I recall reading that a child's brain isn't even fully developed until they hit at least 10 (and notably earlier than that and its hard for them to understand moral issues).
OmniGman said: Can't quite remember where but I do believe I recall reading that a child's brain isn't even fully developed until they hit at least 10 (and notably earlier than that and its hard for them to understand moral issues).
Actually the brain isn't fully developed until the age of twenty-five.
All_Knowing_Frog said: It occurs to me that this could be a form of origin story, as animal youkai are generally born from similar events. (at least that's my understanding)
Well said Philemon, we get what you're saying but there's another question: If Mystia Lorelei isn't to take revenge, then what is she to do? remember that emotional wounds are very hard to heal, then there's also what those kids ARE supposed to do now(after what they did to the small birds)
If anyone asks me, this is heartbreaking either way. A mother lost her babies and will seek revenge and three children will lose their lives (if not but will be horribly injured), thus another mother will lose her babies. Not to point out what is right and wrong, what Mystia is doing is a natural instinct that most parents have and that is to destroy the ones that dared to harm their offspring, however, it would mean retaliation towards her in return.
If anyone asks me, this is heartbreaking either way. A mother lost her babies and will seek revenge and three children will lose their lives (if not but will be horribly injured), thus another mother will lose her babies. Not to point out what is right and wrong, what Mystia is doing is a natural instinct that most parents have and that is to destroy the ones that dared to harm their offspring, however, it would mean retaliation towards her in return.
and that retaliation......*pales and shudders* the parents of those kids won't allow a quick and painless.......if you'll excuse me i'll be trying to clear my head from a potential nightmare
Well said, Philemon. That's the reason why nobody supports the death penalty for children. They don't have a full grasp of morality or ethics. There should be some sort of punishment so they can learn their lesson, but to want them to be killed is like saying it's OK to put kids through the electric chair or lethal injection.
Well kinda depends on how old the child and if they are legitimately sociopaths. If we are talking younger to mid teens, and they are showing all the signs of a sociopath or psychopath? Then yeh, I'd say fry them(depending on the crime), or lock them in a mental health facility indefinitely simply because they CAN'T feel empathy for anything. So they can just go on killing over, and over, and over again.
Younger than that, evaluate them, but don't fry them.
I don't know about y'all but it kinda looks like it was the two kids on the left side that did the sin. I say that because look at the one on the right. Check out the angle he's facing. As if he just came there or something to meet after the other two did what they did
