hum, I do feel that at one point, hand crossbows should be considered instead of bows. It is nice that it is unlike the other fanarts that depicts the big E with a ancient recurve bow though, as it shows the difference in ideologies between the two warring nations.
A bit strange to see people depicting american shipgirl with a bow.I get that it's because of the way of depicting aircraft carriers in original kancolle,but When was the last time americans used bows and arrows as primary weapon?It should be a gun.Besides,it will make clear design differnce between USN and IJN ships.
Japan aren't using bows in battle too. Doesn't stop designers. Rule of Cool always holds priority :)
Hand crossbow probably represent smaller launchers, like in Ise and Tone class' design. Smaller than the flight deck of an aircraft carrier. Just look at the size of Taihou's crossbow
Japan aren't using bows in battle too. Doesn't stop designers. Rule of Cool always holds priority :)
Hand crossbow probably represent smaller launchers, like in Ise and Tone class' design. Smaller than the flight deck of an aircraft carrier. Just look at the size of Taihou's crossbow
HISTORICALLY they do. Since the IJN at the time is blend with the spirit of the samurai (no not like the ones the IJA do), so the IJN carriers who use a bow and arrow to act as a guide for their planes is enough reason.
HISTORICALLY they do. Since the IJN at the time is blend with the spirit of the samurai (no not like the ones the IJA do), so the IJN carriers who use a bow and arrow to act as a guide for their planes is enough reason.
IJN carriers who use a bow and arrow to act as a guide for their planes is enough reason.
Hmm I hadn't got a chance to ask this, you tell me that there was Manga that depicts Souryuu and Hiryuu launching their planes using their flight-decks instead from their bows, may I know the name of that Manga?
Also, in the Kancolle official light novel "Bonds of the Wings of Cranes", carrier Kanmusus were depicted firing their arrows which transforms into fighter aircraft. And the official Manga, "Someday as the Seas turn Calm" showed that Souryuu and Hiryuu were using their bows to fire arrows which transform into aircraft while their flight-decks were used to recover these planes, (it also shown Tone's aircraft catapult malfunctioned, it's like what happened in Midway).
So if the American carriers will be using rifles/guns, maybe their bullets could transform into aircraft.
During the Warring States Period should be a good example enough.
Lunatic6 said:
Different kancolle mangas and novels depict differently. So I will wonder what is the sense of their flight decks? I will not go for Ryujou,Hiyou and Junyou for a good reason. Anyways I start with the ones using bows. If you observe the official art of the ones who had a flight deck-like shield. There is an elevator shaft, where the planes go out and fly. The style is simply different between the ones using it. Where as the 1st and 2nd CarDiv had no planes attached in their arrows whereas the 5th CarDiv, Zuiho and Ryuhou had.
In all, our interpretation on how it works will be always different.
Like what I've said, they are using their flight-deck shield to recover the aircraft they have launched, just like this, but still like you said, it depends on what the mangas or the light novels depict.
Like what I've said, they are using their flight-deck shield to recover the aircraft they have launched, just like this, but still like you said, it depends on what the mangas or the light novels depict.
The rapid Rabbit manga, while having the Kanmusu as being literally gigantic women with naval officers manning their kibble, have the fleet carriers with the long bows, using their flight deck shields as a launch platform, hooking the bow to the bottom and then drawing the string along the length.
Nah, the American carriers need to shoot their planes out of canons.
If you look at the emblems of carriers, the "tradition" they harken back to is the Revolutionary War and Age of Exploration. The image I have in my mind is of the American carriers dressed up like Abigail Adams, and firing carrier-shaped canons full of Hellcats at the Japanese.
and firing carrier-shaped canons full of Hellcats at the Japanese.
Pour in nail, bolt and whatever you have into the rifle. Add a pinch of blackpowder as you like. Aim at the general direction of that bastard and pull the trigger.
Pre-Sengoku era, the Samurai fighting type is call "The way of horse and bow", it is mean they fight on horseback with bow as same as horse archer. In Sengoku era, archer role is change to foot soldier. You should read more history document.
Pre-Sengoku era, the Samurai fighting type is call "The way of horse and bow", it is mean they fight on horseback with bow as same as horse archer. In Sengoku era, archer role is change to foot soldier. You should read more history document.
The context is how long in the past since bow and arrow is a primary weapon.
Dentalapex' comment suggested rifle because it's what used by the American more recently, not as "primitive" as the native americans. But Japanese soldiers has also adopted rifles for long time. Following the logic, then nothing is against Japanese carriers from carrying rifles too instead of arrows. Should've been more detailed and say Japanese in modern age war.
Lunatic6's comment is that because IJN has values of the bushido, bow and arrow make sense. But again, modern military officers still have sword, but only for ceremonial purpose, not for slashing the enemy; thus the question if it's for ceremonial or practical purpose.
Lunatic6's comment is that because IJN has values of the bushido, bow and arrow make sense. But again, modern military officers still have sword, but only for ceremonial purpose, not for slashing the enemy; thus the question if it's for ceremonial or practical purpose.
Again, that would be why I would argue for a Revolutionary War motif for the carriers.
Keep in mind, although there were plenty of exceptions like Enterprise, many carriers were named for Revolutionary War battles. (Lexington, Saratoga, Yorktown, Ticonderoga, Bunker Hill...)
The old front-loading smooth-bore canons are pretty much the emblem of American military tradition, in the same way the bow was the emblem of the Samurai tradition.
In fact, if you look at the emblems of those carriers, Ranger has the silhouette of a revolutionary warrior. Yorktown is an eagle on a cannon. Enterprise is represented with an old sail-powered frigate with cannons above "ENT" in the water.
Actually, I don't see firearm is suit on them. And Carrier choice motif is bow, crossbow, magic for carrier. Even the one of newest IJN CV is Taihou choice Chi-Ko-Nu, an ancient crossbow of China.
Again, that would be why I would argue for a Revolutionary War motif for the carriers.
i think we should start with a hand crossbow launcher for them planes. it made sense for the kidou boutai carriers to use arrows since kamikaze don't return anyways.
Edit: hold on, if the abyssmal is literally the USN, then shouldn't the USN carrier-fus NOT use any bows, guns, crossbows and etc and instead actually use their airfield? i think that would be distinguishing enough to separate the two navy's ideologies.
Grenade launchers. Which shoot canister grenades shaped like Bullet Bills (Corsairs and Dauntlesses).
And ridden by miniature Major Kong lookalikes (fairies).
why not hamsters? i think hamsters do better
also they didnt' have that kind of grenade launchers back in 1941. maybe after her hull code becomes CV(N)-6. that's when USN start getting missiles and crazy radar technology and the likes.
I think the use of a bow vs a crossbow is how they differentiate a carrier that had catapults. I know Hornet had catapults because they installed them for the Doolittle raid and Taihou was the first Japanese carrier to ever feature catapults, but did Enterprise have catapults? Otherwise a modernized compound bow suits her because she lacked what the crossbow represents.
OtomeSound said: Taihou was the first Japanese carrier to ever feature catapults...
False, Taihou had no catapults-she was supposed to have catapults as part of her original design, but it was deleted as the IJN couldn't come up with a workable catapult system.
did Enterprise have catapults? [/quote} Yes, she was given catapults as part of her 1943 refit.
I think the use of a bow vs a crossbow is how they differentiate a carrier that had catapults. I know Hornet had catapults because they installed them for the Doolittle raid and Taihou was the first Japanese carrier to ever feature catapults, but did Enterprise have catapults? Otherwise a modernized compound bow suits her because she lacked what the crossbow represents.
Well except that the story was set in the 1950s (or at least start there), and compound bow wasn't invented until 1966...it might work if the story continue to that period, but still...
Well except that the story was set in the 1950s (or at least start there), and compound bow wasn't invented until 1966...it might work if the story continue to that period, but still...
A bit strange to see people depicting american shipgirl with a bow.I get that it's because of the way of depicting aircraft carriers in original kancolle,but When was the last time americans used bows and arrows as primary weapon?It should be a gun.Besides,it will make clear design differnce between USN and IJN ships.
Well,it looks like kancolle developers also had same idea about giving US carrier a gun.Look at saratoga,I am happy now.
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