SUDDENLY, selfcest! (not so suddenly, actually)I wonder if it's related to the breaks he took :3

so the main reason she become a pervert in the future....because of herself.

BrotherJohn said:

so the main reason she become a pervert in the future....because of herself.

I'm more curious if Genryuu's going through with this they way she remembered it happening to her in her past, or is she just winging it and trying new things just to see what outcome they'll get this time (based on post #1627366)?

A curse that won't let her climax?

The ultimate femdom magic?

BrotherJohn said:

so the main reason she become a pervert in the future....because of herself.

If that were true, that would be a time paradox in and of itself. A "stable time loop" needs to have some sort of initiation that exists within the original timeline, itself. (I.E. If she is perverted only because of herself, there would be a just-as-valid time loop where she was never perverted, and that loop would also be self-reinforcing. Without something triggering the condition where time is trapped in the perverted loop, it would never arrive at the perverted loop in the first place.)

Imminent mind break...

NWSiaCB said:

If that were true, that would be a time paradox in and of itself. A "stable time loop" needs to have some sort of initiation that exists within the original timeline, itself.

A reasonable explanation for a world where "reason" doesn't necessarily apply. Your version of "stable time loop" requires that initiation, but there are other variations that do not.

RaisingK said:

A reasonable explanation for a world where "reason" doesn't necessarily apply. Your version of "stable time loop" requires that initiation, but there are other variations that do not.

If there are multiple variations, then it's a problem. You can only have that "stable time loop" if there are no other possible timelines. (That's what makes it stable.)

If the time loop can only be created if it were already in existence, then you have an ontological paradox. (Not that such things aren't already common in time travel-related fiction...)

Who said anything was stable? Isn't the point of her time traveling to try to change the future? Other things will be changed too...

NWSiaCB said:
If there are multiple variations, then it's a problem. You can only have that "stable time loop" if there are no other possible timelines. (That's what makes it stable.)

If the time loop can only be created if it were already in existence, then you have an ontological paradox. (Not that such things aren't already common in time travel-related fiction...)

Exactly, such things are common. By "multiple variations" I refer to your variation (initiation required) and the variation involving an ontological paradox. Both are stable time loops. This is fiction, so the author gets to decide on the rules. If the author wants to use the ontological paradox variation, so be it. You can't assume that such a paradox isn't in play here.

commentator said:

Who said anything was stable? Isn't the point of her time traveling to try to change the future? Other things will be changed too...

Right, she's already diverging from her own timeline, but her training Meguru is part of the original stable time loop.

RaisingK said:

Exactly, such things are common. By "multiple variations" I refer to your variation (initiation required) and the variation involving an ontological paradox. Both are stable time loops. This is fiction, so the author gets to decide on the rules. If the author wants to use the ontological paradox variation, so be it. You can't assume that such a paradox isn't in play here.

That's a little like saying that "In my work, gravity goes sideways, so that's why everyone walks on walls, while the furniture is on the floor." It's not just inaccurate, it's also internally inconsistent.

Besides, part of the point I was making was that you're assuming this is the author's declared only true history, which may well not be the case.

NWSiaCB said:

That's a little like saying that "In my work, gravity goes sideways, so that's why everyone walks on walls, while the furniture is on the floor." It's not just inaccurate, it's also internally inconsistent.

Gravity is real, time travel is not. You've said so yourself that ontological paradoxes are common, and Stable Time Loop has a good long list of them--stable time loops that do not follow your unqualified requirement that:

NWSiaCB said:

A "stable time loop" needs to have some sort of initiation that exists within the original timeline, itself.

Been awhile since the last bit of yuri.

BrotherJohn said:

so the main reason she become a pervert in the future....because of herself.

You did this to me!
No, you did this to yourself!