She's complaining about a free optional DLC for the Minecraft Education edition made several years ago, basically as supplementary material for class, and it's not even made by Mojang (see "submitted by").
Also, I just wanna say I feel like this whole hubbub is totally overblown by the Phase fanbase. Jelly did legitimately do something dumb and deserved to be bonked. I will cut her some slack for being all "I don't want politics in my block game" because she's not American, so she doesn't understand the history behind it, nor the fact the civil rights movement is basic US history.
Though the fact she didn't know it was in the EDUCATION edition of Minecraft and not the regular game is a big dumbo move of hers for missing that.
Again, I'm cutting her some slack, and I ain't accusing her of being evil or whatever and that she deserves to be canceled or whatever. She just did something dumb and deserved her bonking. The blowback Phase has been receiving just seems totally overblown for a talent doing a legitimate derp move. Unless someone wants to argue against that, which I'm willing to hear out.
To be clear, Clara has clarified she had been planning the graduation back in November of last year, and had been contemplating well in advance.
And it gets announced right after this happens? Yeah nah. It was likely accelerated after asmongold doxxed her and brought up her tweets celebrating Charlie Kirk getting shot.
Again, I'm cutting her some slack, and I ain't accusing her of being evil or whatever and that she deserves to be canceled or whatever. She just did something dumb and deserved her bonking. The blowback Phase has been receiving just seems totally overblown for a talent doing a legitimate derp move. Unless someone wants to argue against that, which I'm willing to hear out.
Phase cultivated a chud fanbase for year, and now they're throwing her under the bus for something mild compared to what Pippa, Lumi or Shiina regularly say. It's completely expected that this would happen, especially given past actions from Sakana like publicly calling Jelly an island monkey and worse. Completely braindead move that killed all the goodwill they had from their own fanbase and will hurt them in the long term, in order to appease tourists that don't even watch the talents.
... now they're throwing her under the bus for something mild compared to what Pippa, Lumi or Shiina regularly say...
I took another look at the statement they put out. It still feels like this is all overblown because all that happened was that Phase probably made Jelly delete the posts, which again were legitimately dumb, and then put out a very general statement condemning racism. They didn't put her on probation or anything like what happened with Coco and Haacham during the Taiwan incident. As far as I know anyway.
And it gets announced right after this happens? Yeah nah. It was likely accelerated after asmongold doxxed her and brought up her tweets celebrating Charlie Kirk getting shot.
She was getting shit for the Charlie Kirk posts (and political statements on her PL in general) for a while before Jelly's incident and Asmon doxxing her, so I'd say it still lines up somewhat. Not to mention vtuber graduations usually take a while to set up
I took another look at the statement they put out. It still feels like this is all overblown because all that happened was that Phase probably made Jelly delete the posts, which again were legitimately dumb, and then put out a very general statement condemning racism. They didn't put her on probation or anything like what happened with Coco and Haacham during the Taiwan incident. As far as I know anyway.
They made an OFFICIAL MONKEY OUTFIT for Jelly because she is, according to her boss, an "island monkey" (brown woman from south-east asia). Can't you see how hollow the condemnation is? It's hypocritical corpo nonsense from the one vtuber group that everyone thought was not like the other corpos.
She was getting shit for the Charlie Kirk posts (and political statements on her PL in general) for a while before Jelly's incident and Asmon doxxing her, so I'd say it still lines up somewhat. Not to mention vtuber graduations usually take a while to set up
This is another pikamee case, you don't announce something like this during a shitstorm unless you're accelerating it due to said shitstorm. Now it looks like they half assed an appeasement so everyone is pissed.
This is another pikamee case, you don't announce something like this during a shitstorm unless you're accelerating it due to said shitstorm. Now it looks like they half assed an appeasement so everyone is pissed.
Pikamee's graduation wasn't announced during the wizard game drama. There was a month between that and the announcement.
Pikamee's graduation wasn't announced during the wizard game drama. There was a month between that and the announcement.
We're not doing historical revisionism again. comment #2299430. She didn't stream for a whole ass month and right next to a celebration because of the angry mob. It's the same thing happening again, except now Pippa is going low stream mode too. In fact it's crazy how similar the two things are, given the phase convention being only months away.
We're not doing historical revisionism again. comment #2299430. She didn't stream for a whole ass month and right next to a celebration because of the angry mob. It's the same thing happening again, except now Pippa is going low stream mode too. In fact it's crazy how similar the two things are, given the phase convention being only months away.
This isn't historical revisionism. The gap in time between the two is completely different.
This isn't historical revisionism. The gap in time between the two is completely different.
If Pikamee were still streaming for that month, either ignoring or brushing off the harassment, the graduation announcement wouldn't have set off as many alarms. Instead, she makes the announcement right after being AWOL for an extended period. And while it doesn't prove the harassment accelerated her graduation, those sequence of events happening in that order would naturally lead people to believe it did.
I'm pretty sure the accusation of historical revisionism is coming from the fact you did not include that important detail. Even if you didn't omit it on purpose, repeating that the timeframes are different just makes it sound like you're doubling down and does nothing to address nonamethanks's point.
People want to make 5x5x5 oak plank houses. Not discuss civil rights.
It's not like civil rights discussion is being pushed down anyone's throats. The only "offense" the DLC committed was existing. It won't affect the experience of any players except the ones that actually play it. Besides, it's silly to complain about stuff like this when one of the game's major selling points is that you can build whatever you want.
The only "offense" the DLC committed was existing.
For some people that's enough. I'm sure you can think of some agenda that you'd take exception to a game promoting, even if you are not forced to interact with that part of it.
For some people that's enough. I'm sure you can think of some agenda that you'd take exception to a game promoting, even if you are not forced to interact with that part of it.
The topic the dlc has seems to be seems pretty mainstream and not harmful though.
If Pikamee were still streaming for that month, either ignoring or brushing off the harassment, the graduation announcement wouldn't have set off as many alarms. Instead, she makes the announcement right after being AWOL for an extended period. And while it doesn't prove the harassment accelerated her graduation, those sequence of events happening in that order would naturally lead people to believe it did.
I'm pretty sure the accusation of historical revisionism is coming from the fact you did not include that important detail. Even if you didn't omit it on purpose, repeating that the timeframes are different just makes it sound like you're doubling down and does nothing to address nonamethanks's point.
The reason why I didn't bring up that detail is that I assumed people already knew it. Why else would you invoke Pikamee in a discussion if you didn't?
If I wanted to include an important detail that people often forget, it's the fact that she also got mobbed after she announced she wasn't going to play the game by the other side of the culture war, and it was only after that happened that she deleted her tweets on the matter, changed her avatar to this, and it became clear that she was going to extend her hiatus, her not wanting to deal with either side of the discussion.
The reason why I highlighted the time difference is to emphasize NNT's point given the immediate proximity of everything. In quick succession you had this incident with Jelly, Asmongold doxxing Clara, and then Clara announcing her graduation. Compared to Pikamee, this is like an explosion at an oil rig.
The topic the dlc has seems to be seems pretty mainstream and not harmful though.
I just think its a bit awkward for the game to lecture you about civil rights while it still allows you to kill, steal, enslave, displace, torture, and breed villagers whenever you feel like it, it feels a bit hypocritical in my opinion.
If people don't commit atrocities during their playthrough then good on them but the game doesn't restrict you to commit those, it is always an option.
Edit: Actually, players are incentivized if they decided to do harm on villagers, they get early equipment, bed, and food, not to mention trade halls and iron farms where it requires you to enslave and torment villagers in your game. But hey, it's just a game right.
I just think its a bit awkward for the game to lecture you about civil rights while it still allows you to kill, steal, enslave, displace, torture, and breed villagers whenever you feel like it, it feels a bit hypocritical in my opinion.
If people don't commit atrocities during their playthrough then good on them but the game doesn't restrict you to commit those, it is always an option.
Edit: Actually, players are incentivized if they decided to do harm on villagers, they get early equipment, bed, and food, not to mention trade halls and iron farms where it requires you to enslave and torment villagers in your game. But hey, it's just a game right.
I think the same counterargument for people getting mad about the civil rights DLC applies here: the game literally doesn't force you to do any of this. You control how you engage with it.
I think the same counterargument for people getting mad about the civil rights DLC applies here: the game literally doesn't force you to do any of this. You control how you engage with it.
Maybe, but again there are builds that provide convenience to the players while practicing atrocities to the villagers (e.g trade halls and iron farms), but then again like as you have said players do choose to engage with such act and the game can still be beaten and enjoyed without doing them.
I just think its a bit awkward for the game to lecture you about civil rights while it still allows you to kill, steal, enslave, displace, torture, and breed villagers whenever you feel like it, it feels a bit hypocritical in my opinion.
If people don't commit atrocities during their playthrough then good on them but the game doesn't restrict you to commit those, it is always an option.
Edit: Actually, players are incentivized if they decided to do harm on villagers, they get early equipment, bed, and food, not to mention trade halls and iron farms where it requires you to enslave and torment villagers in your game. But hey, it's just a game right.
That much is fine I think, though I would enjoy video essays criticizing Minecraft for it. The act of teaching this is good.
Entertainment medias are imperfect teaching tool, for example-
- historical strategy games can teach people history and how the real resources available to some faction affect what they do, but at the same time it can also taught the superiority of centralization at a time period where it can't even function and the great man theory that overemphasize one person or the few above everything else.
The topic the dlc has seems to be seems pretty mainstream and not harmful though.
Weeeeell... The "Good Trouble" in the name of the DLC is when you cause "trouble" in for a "good" cause. For example, the Nelson Mandela Foundation refers to Mandela's work as "good trouble". Mandela founded and led the paramilitary organization uMkhonto weSizwe, which killed a lot of people. Mandela is in the game, referred to on the education.minecraft.net site as a "social justice champion". The DLC asks if players "Want to change the World" with these social justice warriors, like Malala Yousafzai (who really wants kids to wear hijabs to school), and has the players sabotaging a fire hydrant to distract law enforcement away from Ghandi. There's a mix of more and less objectionable causes and people in here, but the overall message aimed at children seems to be that you should "cause trouble" for causes mainly championed by people of colour. Nowadays, that's naturally going to translate into pro-immigration and pro-DEI stuff. I think it's pretty obviously pro-diversity propaganda, and while that very much may be mainstream a lot of us think that that it is very harmful indeed.
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While Nelson Mandela was involved with the founding of uMkhonto weSizwe (MK), the group was founded in 1961 in supposed response to the 1960 Sharpeville massacre. Their initial operations were sabotaging the government by targeting infrastructure and government buildings in a manner to minimize civilian causalities and they didn't begin operations until December 1961. This was after releasing warnings in June 1961 that if governmental reforms weren't initiated that resistance against the government would turn more violent. Their leadership though was mostly arrested by the South African government in 1963, and Mandela was detained in August 1962 after the CIA tipped them off on where he was due to his communist party ties. Mandela was imprisoned until 1990. The particularly violent actions MK carried out that are referenced didn't occur until the 70's and 80's while Mandela was imprisoned. Of the over 190 acts of sabotage they carried out between 1961 and 1963 though there were no casualties, something that was considered extremely unusual when compared to other similar organizations.
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