Sorry, somehow I can't send you a message. Hope you get to read this. Just read your feedback. Could you please comment on non-solo characters? I remember asking on forum about what to tag as solo and what not. Actually I am in doubts about non-human creatures like yukkuri and Pokemon (also Pokemon with one human), Alice's Shanghai dolls, and posts like post #742600. I will change it if it is inappropriate. Also, about male characters, did I really tag somebody wrong? I checked "1girl trap" and there were only about ten posts. Anyway, sorry for the mess.
*Edited 2/28/2013 at 3:46 UTC by NWF_Renim, formerly titled To NWF_Renim*
I am interested as well. I don't think posts like post #1365643 count as "solo", because Shanghais are more of characters, less of inanimate dolls in these. But I'm still reluctant to tag it either as '1girl' or 'multiple_girls', because technically dolls are not 'girls'.
I am greatly interested in yukkuri since I'm tagging Touhou images at the moment. So is one yukkuri a solo character or not? And also something like post #711915 . Is it "1girl solo" or not?
Ah, my issue on non-solo characters was more like things like post #27031 (though I've run into some more recent examples, can't immediately pull them up) where you tagged the image 1girl and solo, despite there being multiple characters in the image.
On the issue of male characters, I did clean up over a hundred images that were traps (and a few genderswap) characters (not all of these were your changes, but there was a good number of them that were). Though with your recent work in the last few days you were labeling some Watarase_Jun and Koga_Norio (and other) images as "1girl." There were also images in which the character was having sex with another man and was tagged yaoi that were being labelled as 1girl as well.
On the issue of using the solo tag, to be honest I think the tag should now only be used to tag images in which there is only one character and no hints or suggestions that there are other characters present. If we're tagging images in which only one character is focused on, then we should just use another tag altogether to cover such depictions. To be honest, I had already gone ahead yesterday and had moved some images to a single_character_focus tag as I was digging around a 1girl 1boy solo search to make sure there weren't solo characters being tagged both as a boy and as a girl.
On post #1365643 I don't remember what (if anything) was decided on her dolls. Just doing a very very quick searching it was suggested that if they appear animate treat them as characters in counts, but if they appear inanimate (just lying there) don't treat them as characters. At least that was one proposal.
As for post #711915, personally I don't really know. I'd likely go the route of not tagging #gender tags since neither character is fully in frame, and I wouldn't say solo either since two characters are suggested and neither character imo is really the focus of the image.
On the issue of yukkuri... I don't know. Just doing a quick glance would suggest what is currently happening is when they're with non-human characters they're being tagged with the #gender tags, so they're treated as people... but when they're with actual people, they're not treated as people and are not used in the count for #gender tags. Seems it probably should be discussed more on when, if ever, they should be tagged with #gender tags.
Ah, I see. So I did make quite a mess, huh. I'll just exclude traps from my search query then or just go tag all remaining traps as 1boy, so that I don't mess up again. Sorry for giving you such a hard time.
I'd like to add that I think this is a really good idea and a long-overdue tag. (I already started using it too, actually.)
But wouldn't a shorter name be better? Such as solo_focus, maybe. There are quite a lot of images that would fall under this tag (including most of the 6k posts under solo sex), so having the name be shorter than 22 characters might make it more easily used and remembered.
A shortcut alias is another possibility, but it's not a reason to make the tag itself unnecessarily long.
NWF_Renim said:
On the issue of using the solo tag, to be honest I think the tag should now only be used to tag images in which there is only one character and no hints or suggestions that there are other characters present.
Do you think solo should not be used for images where only one character is visible, but others are implied to be offscreen by dialogue?
By the way, I know I made a number of "multiple_girls solo" errors, but now I can't fix it because the "multiple_girls solo" query leads to a crash. How do I deal with that? I tried to ask in the update thread, but nobody seems to know or care.
By the way, I know I made a number of "multiple_girls solo" errors, but now I can't fix it because the "multiple_girls solo" query leads to a crash. How do I deal with that? I tried to ask in the update thread, but nobody seems to know or care.
I didn't include those because they were working for me when I submitted the issue. But now that I try again, I'm getting timeouts. I'll add them.
It all seems to be working randomly. When I tried multiple_girls solo date:2005-05-01...2005-06-01 it worked, but with 2005-05-01...2006-01-01 it didn't. The search has really gone wild.
I'd like to add that I think this is a really good idea and a long-overdue tag. (I already started using it too, actually.)
But wouldn't a shorter name be better? Such as solo_focus, maybe. There are quite a lot of images that would fall under this tag (including most of the 6k posts under solo sex), so having the name be shorter than 22 characters might make it more easily used and remembered.
A shortcut alias is another possibility, but it's not a reason to make the tag itself unnecessarily long.
A shorter name is fine, that was just the first thing that came to mind. I have a tendency to make long tags, though I never consider it that big an issue since when a better name comes along its faster to convert over the images to the new name than having to start from scratch and fill a new tag. At least that's my thoughts on the matter.
Toks said: Do you think solo should not be used for images where only one character is visible, but others are implied to be offscreen by dialogue?
I'd consider that these tags are based upon what is visible, so if only one character is visible and no other characters are visible, that'd still be solo even if they're talking to someone out of the frame.
post #1333830 is tagged with 1girl but has two character tags because someone's silhouette is recognizable in the background. I've tagged it with single_character_focus, but should something else be done about it?
Some of the examples posted here are currently labeled in the solo wiki under
The following conditions can also warrant use of this tag:
Any picture placing an apparent focus on one character when there are a crowd of nondescript, less detailed people.
Single characters being depicted as engaged in sex acts with a faceless/nameless other.
Solo has also been used when one character is in the image together with the shadow or hand of another character. post #1094643, post #502936, etc. And on dakimakura images with front/back where the same girl is depicted twice. (we didn't come to a conclusion about this in the last discussion, but people just continued to tag it that way)
I do not tag Yukkuri with *girl or *boy tags. Do they even have a gender? edit: More importantly, we only use those tags for human-ish people (including monster girls).
