Accidental image downvotes [Was: Oops.]

葉月 said:
You're both missing the point completely. There's a million ways somebody can make an impression (be it negative or positive), and these very often determine whether I will act the next time I spot the same name. I can't possibly put everything in notes, for several reasons:

• I won't necessarily be able to write everything down, and even so, I might not want to share every single thought. Subconscious associations are nifty because I don't need to think about them and they're damn fast.
• It takes time. A lot of it. Anything that makes danbooru suck up more of my time is out of question. This is not negotiable.
• It has the same problem I explained previously -- I'd now need to check every single user I look at to see if they haven't changed their name perchance. This is again more of my time, *a lot* of it.
• The notes system has no concept of neutral notes. Not to mention it'd generate drama and suspicion if we suddenly started keeping publically-visible tabs on people.

Limiting the rate of name changes does absolutely nothing to fix any of these problems. It's another of "I have NFC what the problem is, so I'll just propose some meaningless limit here or there". This kind of content-free drivel is the scourge of this forum and it crops up every single time there's anything even resembling a technical discussion about how danbooru works. Seriously people, stop that.

Take it up with Albert. Its a legitimate concern but railing on me isn't going to help unless you spontaneously give me adminship (which if you want you can do). Its not even a big problem with anybody abusing it.

Also about "limit X to X level". Its a valid solution with pros outweighing the cons. Remember the sock puppet incident where Granola was being hounded by some vandal? We proposed a limit and it worked. Not only did it add an incentive to make quality contributions to Danbooru to reach a higher level, it also made order:score actually work and eliminated the sock puppet problem.

Action_Kamen said:
Also about "limit X to X level". Its a valid solution with pros outweighing the cons. Remember the sock puppet incident where Granola was being hounded by some vandal? We proposed a limit and it worked. Not only did it add an incentive to make quality contributions to Danbooru to reach a higher level, it also made order:score actually work and eliminated the sock puppet problem.

That doesn't make this valid here, and also would be backwards, because if there's anybody who should be prevented from changing names, it's established (or at least not totally idle) users. Ie. people I might've seen before.

Created a ticket as a formal request.

葉月 said:
That doesn't make this valid here, and also would be backwards, because if there's anybody who should be prevented from changing names, it's established (or at least not totally idle) users. Ie. people I might've seen before.

I thought it would be better. New users are the ones that would abuse the name change and create more work and confusing situations. Restricting it to higher level members or those with a sizable post count/contribution means that keeping a list would be more manageable.

The ticket is also worded in a way to make it look like the problem is people abusing the system to avoid negative comments and criticisms. When nothing of the sort has happened. If I really wanted to avoid criticism or bad rep (for whatever reason) from a staff member would I have publicly stated who I was when no one even asked?

Are there any cases of people doing this that can be identified? No signs of abuse has been shown and its more like complaining about rain on a sunny day. Its not like Albert takes a million of these and there is a influx of people gaming you and its not like he can't refuse when he feels it unnecessary.

Saying this is the internet age is bullshit when no one can predict the changing circumstances. Lets say three years ago a British man signs up with a moderately identifiable user-name (for whatever reason, ease of use, ease of remembrance etc) uploads a couple loli pictures and forgets about it. Now with loli illegal the guy can go to jail if someone stumbles on it. Even the quasi-legality of the issue in America can mean that at anytime that can happen to us.

Restricting name changes is a better idea, better than going on all out guns blazing overkill mode for no reason at all.

Action_Kamen said:
I thought it would be better. New users are the ones that would abuse the name change and create more work and confusing situations. Restricting it to higher level members or those with a sizable post count/contribution means that keeping a list would be more manageable.

You "abused" it. A guy whom I've known before, but had no idea should recognise under a new name. That's the entire bloody point, and you continue to miss it. I don't care about keeping "the list" "manageable", because it's not manageable when people can change names. End of story.

As for possibly-illegal scenarios, that's individual cases and these can and should always be handled individually.

Um... I was under the impression that these cases were already being taken care of on an individual basis, since they have to go through Albert who takes care of them manually.

I somehow think you are blowing this way out of proportion, Hazuki...

They are handled by albert, but right now anyone can request a name change at any time, and some people have done so repeatedly (like the already-mentioned opem), and it's just too damn hard to track. Make it so that I don't fail to recognise Action Kamen as his previous identity, in a way that doesn't require me to think about it constantly, and I'll stop having a problem with it. I didn't bring it up because I like to wear down my keyboard so much, I did because it's a real problem which regularly gets in the way of my moderation.

葉月 said:
You "abused" it. A guy whom I've known before, but had no idea should recognise under a new name. That's the entire bloody point, and you continue to miss it. I don't care about keeping "the list" "manageable", because it's not manageable when people can change names. End of story.

As for possibly-illegal scenarios, that's individual cases and these can and should always be handled individually.

I'm not missing anything, I get it loud and clear. You believe that there is a potential problem with name change i.e its impossible to track and moderate people who have a history your solution is to remove the feature entirely to keep from the hassle. I Acknowledge the potential problem but disagree with the solution. I'm proposing an alternative to removing that feature. Before that I argued that the name change feature is necessary and then outlined my proposal of keeping a manageable list with heavy restrictions to curb the extra work you also fear will happen. So I'm not just typing out long posts to bog you down or anything, everything Ive said was just to give an alternative argument. Albert will eventually see the ticket and the link to this thread so I'm just proposing an alternative solutions in responses to your (valid) points so he can see it.

I'm also glad you kept "abuse" in quotes because that barely counts as a real example. Two users, me and Opem. Out of the two of us I did it for privacy reasons not to one up the staff. Dunno know about Opem, but even if he did do it to clear his record then he's just one of two cases. Hardly enough to merit a reaction. Plus you may have a problem with maintaining a list for legitimate reasons but no other staff members seems to share that problem in other words where you may not have time to catch a name change by just clicking the hypothetical list of name changes for reference other people on the staff may not have any problem. So while you may miss it, they might not and that makes your argument of "hard to manage" shaky. You're not modding alone so while the burden is inconvenient for you it may be easy for a team of ten.

Alright, I'm not sure if there's a lot more that can be said on this name change issue.

On the one hand, name changes are currently allowed and administered by albert. And I believe they should continue to be allowed. However, having the ability - if only just for mod+ - to know accounts have undergone a name change is also a worthwhile idea. Knowing someone changed their name is almost impossible otherwise, so it's equally hard to know if someone is a repeat offender unless they have negs and you can recognize the negs.

So let's just see what albert does about it.

OK, the thread got derailed enough for today. Let's go back to discussing accidental voting.

Would it be feasible to allow users to upvote stuff they've previously downvoted and vice-versa? Accidents aside, people's opinions might change after they take a closer and more careful look, and it wouldn't hurt to allow them to change their votes too.

@jxh2154: The thread is about accidental voting for post scores and not comment voting, but I guess that could be discussed too. Anyways, just letting you know in case you want to edit the OP post again.

I was thinking of adding a feature to let users change their own name, but I think Hazuki raises a good point that this can potentially give moderators a big headache. Even if name changes were logged, mods would basically have to check the name history any time they wanted to do something. The registration page is pretty clear about the hazards of picking a personal name. So I'm going to disallow name changes from here on out.

It's also less work for me, which is a plus.

Could we keep the name change requests through pm?

I was able to change my name before this fortunately, but I usually grow tired using it for a long time

I'm not thinking of changing my name right now, but I don't think i'll always be completely satisfied with 'Roarchu'. I might want to change it later on. I mean, sometimes you run into things that you identify with and you want to add to your name, or things in life happen and you want to change it. (i.e. you start getting into playing blackjack and you want add "21" to your username, or your girlfriend gives you a new nickname and you want to somehow add it to your name, etc)

or let's say you used to like Naruto and had the username "Narutoisthecoolest" but now you think Naruto sucks and are stuck with that username forever

I get that letting users change their names just like that would be a hassle, but could we keep the option of requesting name changes through pm open?

It doesn't have to be pm, it could be something else. I've seen other forums having a thread just for name change requests and really I don't think very many people will care enough to change their names here. It is mostly in forums where you actively post, have avatars, etc where people would really care about changing their name, most users here to find images only

What im saying is, it might not be such a hassle if we do it this way, but then again, I don't know how many people actually pm'ed albert about changing their username

Your username gains an identity of its own. Changing it according to your ever fluctuating tastes destroys that identity. And, like others have said, it makes moderator's jobs more arduous. I don't see why you would want to do that.

Of course, I'm very happy with my username, so it's easy for me to talk.

I think users should be motivated to pick a username that they won't get sick of after a few years, or - failing that - learn to live with the name they picked.

I accidentally post #711376

can someone upvote it please?

Once again, done.

Crap, this is embarrasing, I accidentally downvoted my own image while trying to go to the source in Pixiv: post #800342. Can someone fix that?

Done.

Accidentally down-voted post #416601.

Algasir said:
Accidentally down-voted post #416601.

Done