I understand what you mean Kikimaru, but seeing that kind of makes the majority of us feel old.
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create implication 90s -> oldschool
@jxh2154 is a Time Lord.
90s aesthetic is now being referenced a lot as oldschool.
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Not sure about the implication, but while on the topic it seems like those tags are being used without much precision. Although the wiki clearly says those period tags (60s, 70s, 80s) are for the manga/anime style of that time, they're clearly being used for things merely popular at that time like specific shows or cultural things. Should there be anything done to address this, like maybe changing the tags to 80s_(style_of_manga) or just let the tags be a catch-all for style, popular culture, and the period that a copyright was popular? I'm in favor of making the tags explicitly for style only and as per my general philosophy on tags I think the best way to enforce this is changing the name of the tags.
There are also images like post #2861735 for example that are based on a Western artstyle from a time period, so using 80s_(style_of_manga) might not be completely fitting.
I don't see the need for seperating western and eastern artstyle at this point, so how about something along the lines of the_1970s for the cultural time period and 1970s_style or 1970s_artstyle for the drawing style perhaps?
I would also propose to rename any period related tags to use the full year. So 1980s instead of 80s.
20s currently has a massive amount of 8 posts, but 2020 is less than a year away at this point.
Naming suggestion: 1980s (style) or 1980s (artstyle), and 1980s (culture); replace with other decades as appropriate.
At some point we'll have to figure out what to do when widespread 2000s nostalgia kicks in, since that intersects with the first 5 years of our database...
Well it wasn't my intent to lock-in the style to manga, just to suggest a tag. I agree it should be inclusive of non-manga styles, a further distinction between manga and western or whatever isn't needed, and isn't feasible considering we don't do it for posts in general. For styles, 1980s_artstyle (art_style?) I guess is the best but still wanting. For the time period, something that encapsulates the culture general era would be good if people have suggestions.
Definitely agree on having these years include the full year, how else will I find pictures from the 1880s?
But I'm wondering if there's something wrong to the approach. Will we in a decade mass update everything from now to a 2000s and 2010s tag?
feline_lump said:
Naming suggestion: 1980s (style) or 1980s (artstyle), and 1980s (culture); replace with other decades as appropriate.
At some point we'll have to figure out what to do when widespread 2000s nostalgia kicks in, since that intersects with the first 5 years of our database...
+1 to artstyle & culture tags.
Going though the period tags, we have:
| Time Period | # |
|---|---|
| 20s | 8 |
| 30s | 49 |
| 40s | 6 |
| 50s | 34 |
| 60s | 161 |
| 70s | 622 |
| 80s | 2477 |
| 90s | 4094 |
I assume this will be the plan:
First just renaming all the current tags to the new format:
alias 20s -> 1920s_artstyle alias 30s -> 1930s_artstyle alias 40s -> 1940s_artstyle alias 50s -> 1950s_artstyle alias 60s -> 1960s_artstyle alias 70s -> 1970s_artstyle alias 80s -> 1980s_artstyle alias 90s -> 1990s_artstyle
Followed by the implication of oldschool. Considering we don't have a 00s tag yet, I guess this will just apply to all current time period tags. Or should it be limited to the 1960's and up?
imply 1920s_artstyle -> oldschool imply 1930s_artstyle -> oldschool imply 1940s_artstyle -> oldschool imply 1950s_artstyle -> oldschool ✂----cut along line if needed--- imply 1960s_artstyle -> oldschool imply 1970s_artstyle -> oldschool imply 1980s_artstyle -> oldschool imply 1990s_artstyle -> oldschool
The 19XX_culture tags will have to be populated manually I think.
Edit:
Makes sense to drop the parenthesis.
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these tags don't need parenthesis. we normally use that style of qualifier for trademarked or copyrighted things to make it clear that the extra detail being added isn't actually part of the name. in this case it's purely a descriptive tag named for our own purposes, so there's nothing to confuse. it'd be like tagging something sweater_(red) instead of just red_sweater.
I wonder...
If people look for the oldschool, wouldn't they expect to find posts that were already conceived as oldschool when they were uploaded?
In other words, is a 90s post uploaded in 2007 really oldschool by the time it was uploaded (apparently not) and wouldn't these posts water down the meaning of "oldschool" during that period when 80s posts and earlier only were considered oldschool?
Lacrimosa said:
I wonder...
If people look for the oldschool, wouldn't they expect to find posts that were already conceived as oldschool when they were uploaded?
In other words, is a 90s post uploaded in 2007 really oldschool by the time it was uploaded (apparently not) and wouldn't these posts water down the meaning of "oldschool" during that period when 80s posts and earlier only were considered oldschool?
I don't think this matters much. The elimination of the flagging grandfather clause establishes a favorable precedent towards using current guidelines regardless of when the image was uploaded.
iridescent_slime said:
If the concept of "oldschool" is a subjective thing that, by definition, changes over time, maybe it shouldn't be a tag.
Why not? Sometimes tags become outdated. See also the topics debating absurdres (based on a benchmark resolution that was absurd over a decade ago but isn't now). Based on the timing of this discussion, I think a tentative solution would be to consider illustrations that are over ~20 years old "oldschool".
feline_lump said:
Why not? Sometimes tags become outdated. See also the topics debating absurdres (based on a benchmark resolution that was absurd over a decade ago but isn't now). Based on the timing of this discussion, I think a tentative solution would be to consider illustrations that are over ~20 years old "oldschool".
Oldschool comprises multiple art styles that don't have much in common besides their age. It's already an ambiguous tag to begin with and it's getting more ambiguous with the passage of time. Does this not strike you as problematic?
feline_lump said:
Naming suggestion: 1980s (style) or 1980s (artstyle), and 1980s (culture); replace with other decades as appropriate.
I'd prefer 1980s (style) for consistency with the *_(style) tags we use for artist style parodies.
Lacrimosa said:
I wonder...
If people look for the oldschool, wouldn't they expect to find posts that were already conceived as oldschool when they were uploaded?
Oldschool is an umbrella tag for anything drawn in a retro style. That can include both style parodies and posts that really were drawn in the 90s or earlier. Style parody can (and should) be used to distinguish between the two.
tapnek said:
It could be a pool, but it would need strict guidelines so that it wouldn't be flooded with anything that looks like it's from the 90s and before.
Pools don't really do anything to solve the problem of subjectivity. And anyway, I wouldn't say the 70s / 80s / 90s tags are subjective - most things I see under those tags are pretty clearly drawn in older styles.