Three days is harsh, I look through deleted and see so much good art deleted because the three day humilation ritual passed without a moderator even looking at it. How is three days even a fair enough time when surely so much artwork is uploaded every single day that theres no way every uploaded piece could stand a fair chance. and appeals are a really punishing system, I go through someones deleted page and see so much good art that clearly has a place on the booru, and am severely rate limited just for wanting to give the artwork another chance (another chance which is yet still blatently unfair).
The majority of good posts get approved within a day, actually. That doesn't mean posts won't slip through the cracks, but there's far from as many as you make it seem. You say it's "unfair" but what actually makes it unfair? Conversely, what would make it fair? 6 days? A week? A month? You have to have something for moderation purposes, and Danbooru is already pretty lenient by making deletions soft deletions, so you can still view the posts.
The posts you appealed, post #10618172, post #10618267, post #10618165, all aren't very good. The have really wonky faces, and the last one is also just quite poorly drawn.
The majority of good posts get approved within a day, actually. That doesn't mean posts won't slip through the cracks, but there's far from as many as you make it seem. You say it's "unfair" but what actually makes it unfair? Conversely, what would make it fair? 6 days? A week? A month? You have to have something for moderation purposes, and Danbooru is already pretty lenient by making deletions soft deletions, so you can still view the posts.
The posts you appealed, post #10618172, post #10618267, post #10618165, all aren't very good. The have really wonky faces, and the last one is also just quite poorly drawn.
Yeah I'm happy that deletions are soft, but I don't see issues with the appealed posts. Moderation and accepting shouldn't be subjective, if I scroll through accepted posts I will see art that I "don't think is very good" to me, even though objectively the art is art. So should those have not been accepted? I wouldn't want them to be rejected just because I don't like them, everyone has their own tastes but it shouldn't affect whether something is on the booru. personally I think 7 days would be a more fair time period
How do you suppose moderation, a process inherently done by humans, be made non-subjective? The general approach to approval is already "approve what's good". There has to be some sort of quality standards, so humans have to get involved somewhere.
And why would a 7 day queue be more "fair"? What makes it fairer, is it just giving more time? Who is to say whether that actually reduces the number of missed posts? It might even make it worse by more approvers not bothering with posts that have spent ages in queue. Not saying it will, but it's a possibility.
How do you suppose moderation, a process inherently done by humans, be made non-subjective? The general approach to approval is already "approve what's good". There has to be some sort of quality standards, so humans have to get involved somewhere.
And why would a 7 day queue be more "fair"? What makes it fairer, is it just giving more time? Who is to say whether that actually reduces the number of missed posts? It might even make it worse by more approvers not bothering with posts that have spent ages in queue. Not saying it will, but it's a possibility.
your point on the queue does make sense to me. for approving though I don't feel like the standard should be whats good. Yes there needs to be quality standards, if something is a meme, trolling, not artwork (AI generated, general photography, etc) it obviously isn't within the scope of the board. but when you're discussing artwork whats good to you is whats bad to someone else. if posts are accepted or rejected based on tastes of a select approvers and moderators its more of a database of whatever the moderators and approvers are interested in rather than a database of artwork. which I feel like contradicts the purpose of a public image board where anyone can upload in the hopes of allowing that artwork to reach a wider audience. which at the end of the day is what a public image booru is for along with catalogging artwork.
It sounds like it's you who is misunderstanding the purpose of Danbooru. It's meant to be a curated gallery and art archive with some semblance of standards, because we all know what happens when anyone can upload anything (r34). It's not meant to be a public imageboard where anyone can upload anything. The queue system is designed such that only a single approver needs to like a post enough to approve it, so by having a variety of approvers (which there are), all niches that we want to cover are covered.
the "semblance of standards" leads to what gets approved and what doesn't feeling arbituary. i'm glad that items are only soft deleted
@superboo07 For what it's worth, you're far from alone in thinking this. I agree with you, and you can also see similar sentiments in the upload feedback thread.
It's a natural consequence of each Approver having different preferences & priorities. In a sense it's unavoidable, and maybe it's even preferable to all posts being judged by a single set of inflexible rules, but it does result in approval patterns being confounding enough that I outright feel lucky every time I have a post taken in.
There are lots of approvers out there that go through the queue each day whenever they are available. Even if a post is not approved right away, they are often approved within 24 hours. Each approver may have a different judgement on the art posted, however whenever your post gets deleted for not being approved, you do get a message about how many approvers have went through your post to decide not to approve it, this number is usually at around 10-15 for me in many cases. Extending this deadline doesn't help anything as it will simply mean the posts will stay in the queue for more days before getting deleted again.
The beauty of art can be subjective, but taking a look at Danbooru you can pretty much guess what is expected. It is true that some posts that are below par are approved through the queue here and there, some completely bypass the queue because they are uploaded by Uploaders or Approvers, however just because this happens you get to upload low quality posts. If you notice a low quality art, simply give it a downvote then go on with your day. If you yourself can upload quality art or simply crunch a few bounties, you can also get the role of an Uploader and won't have to worry about the queue at all.
Small nitpick but off-topic isn't about the quality of the art and I wouldn't want to encourage people to randomly tag and decide what is and isn't off-topic on their own and end up misidentifying posts like what already happens with AI-generated and AI-assisted. Reading through topic #22285 is somewhat of a migraine-inducing experience already. Do it with caution. Low quality posts should be flagged instead.
Small nitpick but off-topic isn't about the quality of the art and I wouldn't want to encourage people to randomly tag and decide what is and isn't off-topic on their own and end up misidentifying posts like what already happens with AI-generated and AI-assisted. Reading through topic #22285 is somewhat of a migraine-inducing experience already. Do it with caution. Low quality posts should be flagged instead.
I understand the concern about that, I was mainly talking about the part where it says
Such posts should have nothing to do with anime, manga, games, or any other potential "on-topic" subject matter
But I have realized that may be misinterpreted and there is probably a very low amount of content that is actually off-topic that we see so it's not worth mentioning and getting people confused. I've edited and removed that part from my message.
