Alias discussion: mid-boss → vyers

I noticed we had one lone miscategorized instance of vyers from disgaea, and a a dozen and a half instances of mid-boss.

He goes by both in the game. Everyone refers to him by the latter, but the former is his real name. Since we have an osaka→kasuga_ayumu alias, we ought to implement a mid-boss→vyers alias, since the situation is almost identical.

Isn't mid-boss somewhat ambiguous? Osaka, at least, is an enormously well known character.

mid-boss -disgaea has nothing in it. So I think it only gets used to refer to the Disgaea character...

I still say it's incredibly, enormously ambiguous. I'd have no idea whatsoever that it's some Disgaea thing if I saw "mid-boss", and no idea even to suspect it might be in any way special. We can mass-edit it, but an alias would be terribly bad. -5 from me.

Xabid said: mid-boss -disgaea has nothing in it. So I think it only gets used to refer to the Disgaea character...

Right, but ambiguity can be a concern even when it's not a current tagging problem. If it had like 100 posts I might reconsider but for now I just edited them over and left notes in both wikis explaining.

The only issue is that "mid-boss" is what he is almost exclusively referred to in the game (with the exception of his own occasional complaint). The fact that it is so general and potentially ambiguous is the reason it was used in the first place. It was intended to be a disparaging nickname.

So long as we are using the real name though, I guess it's fine, so long as future users don't re-populate mid-boss. Right now there is nothing to prevent that.

Well, I have to say that if you say "Mid Boss", I know exactly who you are talking about, while "Vyers" would leave me going "huh"?

And who is Kasuga Ayumu? Not even she uses her own name after her first episode, at least Vyers brings it up occasionally. Our policy has always been to use the fullest real names known in canon.

Please don't alias a generic term like "mid-boss". The tag should be "Vyers", with perhaps a note in the wiki like "The mid-boss of Disgaea."

Make it mid-boss_(disgaea) then.

Shinjidude said:
at least Vyers brings it up occasionally.

Actually, he usually starts saying "Dark Adonis/Beauty Danshaku" and someone cuts him off before he can even say his name, I don't think "Vyers" comes up more than once or twice in the entire game, and never again in any sequel. Even the status screen, official artbook and all related material calls him Mid-Boss (Chuu-Boss), which is pretty much the whole joke, nobody ever calls him by his name.

I'm strongly against the Vyers tag for the same reason the Hetalia characters are not aliased to their incredibly obsucre human names, every other source but two of his lines refer to him as Mid-Boss. Mid-Boss_(Disgaea) would be the better choice.

I never realised "mid-boss" was such a popular term. I've never heard it used prior to Disaea. Also Vyers isn't so much *the* mid-boss of Disgaea, but rather one of many mid-bosses. He's just the only one that is called that, happens to re-appear a lot, and he is hinted to be the reincarnated father of the protagonist.

I'm fine if we leave "mid-boss" empty. I can't see us ever using it, mostly due to the weird degree of specificity. It's generic, but also more specific than just "boss" which we have used only in two deleted posts. It's also very specific in Disgaea's context.

I mostly just wanted the character to be placed under it's own name. I could have edited it myself, but I wanted to raise the idea of an alias to keep things clean. Consensus seems against it though, and that's fine with me.

Ephyon said:
I'm strongly against the Vyers tag for the same reason the Hetalia characters are not aliased to their incredibly obsucre human names, every other source but two of his lines refer to him as Mid-Boss. Mid-Boss_(Disgaea) would be the better choice.

I strongly agree with this. The whole point is that, no matter how much he hates it, Mid-Boss has effectively become his name because nobody ever calls him anything else.

The best case of something similar to this is with Kasuga Ayumu and her nickname Osaka, and since we've opted to go with her real name we should do the same with this character. Unless you're all suggesting reversing the Osaka -> Kasuga Ayumu alias, because otherwise we're being rather inconsistent in how we go about with these.

I'd rather have the real name also. Same with Hetalia characters if they actually have real names (didn't even know they did, lol), maybe adding a _(nation) or something.

I'd just like to repeat: Even the artbook and every other official material calls him Mid-Boss.

And to counter the Osaka example, there's Tianzi.

I'm fine with mid-boss_(disgaea), my objection was only against "mid-boss" with no qualifiers, since it's a generic term with a well-established meaning and it'd be completely opaque for someone not already familiar with Disgaea. Granted, the same could be said about Osaka, but at least she's hugely recognisable.

FWIW, I think this and hetalia names fall in the same category as the other barely confirmed "a wiki told me" names we have decided against before. It's a good question whether Osaka falls in it as well, as it's a joke made in the series that she fails to recognise her proper name.

I'm not sure about the game guide and artbook (which I don't have), but almost all the 3rd party supplemental reference material online I came across calls him Vyers: (ANN, Wikipedia, GameFAQs, etc.), Moreover in both the game and anime he is introduced as "Vyers", his first level is named "Vyers Palace", and it is widely established that "Mid-Boss" is certainly not his name, nor does he accept it as such.

It's certainly not so insubstantial as "a wiki told me" since it officially appears in the canon material, as it does with Azumanga.

There is the wrinkle that he also goes by "Dark Adonis"/"Beauty Danshaku" which is his title for himself, but nobody else uses it, and I don't think he ever asserted it as a name proper.

Despite all this, after checking the official websites (both English and Japanese), they do name him "Mid Boss" there and ignore his real name.

For consistency's sake, and to go with our precedent of using real names, I still vote for vyers to be our tag. Mid-boss_(disgaea) is an acceptable alternative though I guess, if we are willing to change our rule. Since it is unambiguous, whichever one we don't use should be aliased to the other.

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/2998/char0401l.jpg

I don't know if it's from an artbook (I've got an entire Disgaea pictures set with various stuff in it, more like a CG collection I believe, but which also happens to include roughs for some reason).

Anyway that could just be a temporary name, but I guess it's one more reason for mid-boss over vyers.

Yeah, that's the Disgaea Character Collection artbook, page 47.