LQ said:
@baconmeh2 made that record.
I confused betabooru with testbooru during maintenance 
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LQ said:
@baconmeh2 made that record.
I confused betabooru with testbooru during maintenance
baconmeh2 said:
I confused betabooru with testbooru during maintenance
unforgivable. death penalty
Ylimegirl said:
unforgivable. death penalty
Ooof
The posts under that artist tag are all awful "2020s digital ironic anime art" detritus and should ideally be deleted. However, there are hundreds if not thousands of stylistically similar posts active (uploaded by unrestricted users as well as approved) so I don't understand why these in particular are worth targeting and handing out bans/feedbacks over. Seems like dishonest particularism or just something that arose situationally. The ugly ironycore stick (with jaggy lines) that broke the mod's back, so to speak. I personally don't think that any of this is worth bans or red feedbacks.
nonamethanks said:
It's doubly frustrating when a post like that is flagged and then immediately approved again. The queue exists to filter that shit out. If multiple approvers are routinely letting posts like that through there's something seriously wrong going on.
What's wrong is that it's way too easy for any monkey with a smartphone to flood this site with garbage and an infinite pool of unpaid labor to filter that shit out simply does not exist. Combine that with the steady evolution of the "not really an anime image board" rhetoric that has taken root permanently and you're left with a demoralized community that has a functionally endless trash heap to sift through with no motive to strive towards quality. What's the point? What are you actually supposed to be contributing towards? An "art site" that's ostensibly anime focused but not really, ostensibly quality focused but not really because the discord clique just scratches each other's backs and approves awful shit (like nippachi) anyway.
Hereinafter said:
The posts under that artist tag are all awful "2020s digital ironic anime art" detritus and should ideally be deleted. However, there are hundreds if not thousands of stylistically similar posts active (uploaded by unrestricted users as well as approved) so I don't understand why these in particular are worth targeting and handing out bans/feedbacks over. Seems like dishonest particularism or just something that arose situationally. The ugly ironycore stick (with jaggy lines) that broke the mod's back, so to speak. I personally don't think that any of this is worth bans or red feedbacks.
I think that's a fairly uncharitable reading of the artist's work. Looking at their Twitter and unuploaded art such as the following three, I don't think there's any irony intended in their work. It's just a fairly sketchy style that shines in some contexts and doesn't in others (such as the offending post #9132677). If the only posts we had of that artist right now were post #8838027 and post #9132720 (and maybe those unuploaded ones I highlighted), I think this discussion would've been avoided in its entirety, since those have some interest that isn't particularly weighted down by the stylistic weaknesses of the artist.
It's a similar situation to artists such as Tsukumizu Yuu, beloved for their conventional work but whose style might not be suitable on Danbooru in contexts outside of it (such as the fishe post). It's all about reasonability and common sense in the end, and the approvers who approved post #9132677 didn't exert either well enough.
Hereinafter said:
Combine that with the steady evolution of the "not really an anime image board" rhetoric that has taken root permanently
Not sure what's the point of this argument when these posts are as anime-related as they get. I'll take overwatch or marvel rivals fanart over these "on-topic" scribbles any day.
Hereinafter said:
but not really because the discord clique just scratches each other's backs and approves awful shit (like nippachi) anyway.
This you are right about. I've avoided promoting some people to approver before because they had too much of that retarded hivemind mentality, and it's really annoying to see people circlejerking and reapproving over and over again mediocre flagged art just because it happens to be from some flavor of the month gay pseudo-idol anime.
But it's nothing new, and it's not something limited to the discord. We had coordinated or pseudo-coordinated approver actions plenty of times before - apollyon & co, the zheng flagging spree, mikaeri & his inner circle are some examples from the past 10 years. The problem keeps rearing its ugly head again and again.
nonamethanks said:
Not sure what's the point of this argument when these posts are as anime-related as they get. I'll take overwatch or marvel rivals fanart over these "on-topic" scribbles any day.
This you are right about. I've avoided promoting some people to approver before because they had too much of that retarded hivemind mentality, and it's really annoying to see people circlejerking and reapproving over and over again mediocre flagged art just because it happens to be from some flavor of the month gay pseudo-idol anime.
But it's nothing new, and it's not something limited to the discord. We had coordinated or pseudo-coordinated approver actions plenty of times before - apollyon & co, the zheng flagging spree, mikaeri & his inner circle are some examples from the past 10 years. The problem keeps rearing its ugly head again and again.
You make it sound one-sided but you should exactly know why that occurs. Back then and of course I was part of that as well and today. Now that you have talked about it on the Discord and spread misinformation, you really shouldn't take yourself out of the issue.
This approving circlejerking has been an issue in the Discord in the past few years. That ranges from bad flags over bad appeals to bad rejection messages. These things are all intertwined as very similar users take place in it and there are users (mostly other approvers) that try to combat that.
Now, of course a moderator should take a look at the issues presented to them more objectively. However, and that has been an issue back then was a lack of guidance. Let's remember when the issues about Apollyon, Mikaeri and als me popped up. That was during a time where moderators and admins grew weary and albert was about to pass on the torch. You could call it a power vacuum.
That, luckily, isn't the case today but there has been a gradual incline of questionable behavior. You could say, it's a frog in boiling water situation.
We're in a situation where we encounter joke appeals, joke flags and joke rejection messages because we have no proper guidance and also retaliation for these actions as names are hidden from other users. So it must be moderators and admins (the staff) to step in. However, the staff rarely ever makes a moe and watches how the situation slowly spirals out and it seems we are now at a point where actions are taken. That's a good thing and that's because the staff tries to engage again, something that should have always happened.
I can only hope the last few days worked as a wake-up call for all sites, that includes regular users, approvers but also the staff.
As the person who originally flagged the first nippachi post before any of this mess started (like, literally I came across post #9132677 before all of this happened while doing some tag gardening and thought "hm this seems like the kind of content that should get flagged?" and then came back to the discord later that day to see it had blown up in drama) I feel like I should input something here lol.
I am still semi-newish enough that I'm still learning my way around the culture here and what kind of stuff is acceptable and isn't. I even asked in the discord if that post I linked above was flaggable before I flagged it. I was kind of nervous to do so and to be honest this was kind of the worst case scenario to come out of it (other than me getting in trouble for it, somehow lol). One flagged post leading to all this drama is a lot, and I know I didn't do anything wrong but I still feel really bad about it, and I am honestly pretty upset it made nth leave too because I liked them a lot.
My take is that a lot of this was way more public than it perhaps should have been, and while I do find that the loom stuff was reasonable considering the circumstances, I am also super bummed that the others got dragged into it. Nth especially didn't deserve the harshly worded neg. I am honestly really really bummed about this personally especially because nth was THE approver who was super encouraging to me, as he (he? they? idk) would always sweep through my pendings a couple times a day (and yet was still picky enough to not approve everything I posted, in fair ways I think!). Literally if you go to nths feedback you'll see my positive right under the negative -- so it just sucks that even tho none of it was my fault, the end result of me flagging one post is the one approver who I liked the most leaving after being negged/called out for something that imo should have at least been a DM first. I can't speak to the other approver who got caught up in it, but im glad their one day ban was revoked.
While I agree the original post was bad, and it deserved to be flagged (and I wont lie, as a semi newb it was really confusing when I flagged that and it still got approved quickly when I could point to many other way better posts that never made it lol), it also kinda sucks from my perspective that I tried to do the right thing by flagging a post and then all this happens. Again, know I did nothing wrong, but it def makes me more nervous to flag in the future too.
I do kinda wish more of this had been handled a bit more behind closed doors (like I know drama is interesting but still), or if it wasn't going to be handled more privately, at least some way to let the other approvers know "hey theres this situation going on just so youre aware" -- even if the approvers should know better, I find it to be unfair for them to get so publicly dragged like that esp if they are like nth and have a really good track record of solid approvals outside of one instance or two (and just looking at nths recent approvals I think its fair to say he has a lot of good approvals).
edit: I will concede I also don't have the full story or full context/history of these people either, so not trying to rag on the way this was handled, because maybe the way it happened really did need to happen that way. I don't actually know that -- just giving my perspective as someone who is both still pretty new around these parts/doesnt have that context and as the one who originally flagged the post that started this whole mess
Updated by fairyboobles
To recap:
(Random aside but during all of this, some admin or mod edited my positive feedback of Hank's to be a negative. Just something to consider before telling me about how I was "abusing feedbacks".)
Updated by loom
Provence said:
It means all the signs were there for you to know not to approve it, but you still went on regardless.
Not just me, 4 other approvers too. And I was banned with no warning, which everyone else was at least afforded.
And no, I do not consider Bionicman76's negative feedback here, given their reputation and off-site behavior towards me (repeated harassment). Not to mention going straight to a negative, instead of DMailing me first or at least neutraling. I don't think it's that far of a reach to understand why I ignored the feedback.
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loom said:
Not just me, 4 other approvers too. And I was banned with no warning, which everyone else is at least afforded.
And no, I do not consider Bionicman76's negative feedback here, given their reputation and off-site behavior towards me (repeated harassment).
That's still a warning. You aren't entitled to ignore any feedback that's hurts your feelings.
A mere one-day ban is a warning that's harder to ignore, one that hopefully makes it a little less funny to everyone to repeatedly approve shitposts. The automatic feedback that goes with it can be deleted later, as I initially did for you until it became clear you hadn't learned anything.
RaisingK said:
That's still a warning. You aren't entitled to ignore any feedback that's hurts your feelings.
If it's suddenly okay to give negative feedbacks to people without DMailing first or neutralling, then I'll accept that.
RaisingK said:
A mere one-day ban is a warning that's harder to ignore, one that hopefully makes it a little less funny to everyone to repeatedly approve shitposts. The automatic feedback that goes with it can be deleted later, as I initially did for you until it became clear you hadn't learned anything.
I still hold it to be true that I didn't do anything worse than the 4 other approvers who are getting off scot-free.
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loom said:
- People think I'm ruining the sanctity and importance of feedbacks, when it was admins and mods that started it and made me think it was alright to do. (forum #347928)
I'm not sure about NNT's but Shinjidude's feedback doesn't look like a joke to me. It came well after April Fool's had passed and the silliness was over, and it doesn't really read like a joke. If you kept begging for negatives after the holiday was over, then I could see how it might have been taken that you were trying to stir trouble. It's happened before with others.
(Random aside but during all of this, some admin or mod edited my positive feedback of Hank's to be a negative. Just something to consider before telling me about how I was "abusing feedbacks".)
Are you referring to a deleted feedback? The only currently existing feedback from you to Hankpropaniac is positive and doesn't show to have been edited. Unless changing the category wouldn't show it as edited, but then I don't know why it wouldn't.
blindVigil said:
I'm not sure about NNT's but Shinjidude's feedback doesn't look like a joke to me. It came well after April Fool's had passed and the silliness was over, and it doesn't really read like a joke. If you kept begging for negatives after the holiday was over, then I could see how it might have been taken that you were trying to stir trouble. It's happened before with others.
NNT's was made on April Fool's Day, yet was kept even after the day had passed. Shinji's I can assure you was indeed a joke.
blindVigil said:
Are you referring to a deleted feedback? The only currently existing feedback from you to Hankpropaniac is positive and doesn't show to have been edited. Unless changing the category wouldn't show it as edited, but then I don't know why it wouldn't.
The feedback has since been deleted by me.
loom said:
NNT's was made on April Fool's Day, yet was kept even after the day had passed.
Because I forgot to delete it and nobody reminded me. I deleted it a few days ago when I realized.
Edit: Never mind, the above posts explain the feedback situation.
Edit: NVM!
loom said:
To recap:
- People think I'm ruining the sanctity and importance of feedbacks, when it was admins and mods that started it and made me think it was alright to do. (forum #347928)
- Bionic's feedback on me was invalid in the first place.
(Random aside but during all of this, some admin or mod edited my positive feedback of Hank's to be a negative. Just something to consider before telling me about how I was "abusing feedbacks".)
Only learned of this thread just now. Yes, when joke feedbacks are overused to your level it does water them down, let alone become progressively more unfunny.
If the feedback was so invalid then why is it still up? I don't disagree that a DM or neutral is typically the way to go but I had already told you about that on discord and you said "I approve what I like", so that base is already well-covered.
loom said:
Not just me, 4 other approvers too. And I was banned with no warning, which everyone else was at least afforded.
You made it repeatedly clear that you were knowingly poking the bear multiple times, the other approvers weren't outright provoking blowback so don't act like their actions were on the same level as yours.
loom said:
And no, I do not consider Bionicman76's negative feedback here, given their reputation and off-site behavior towards me (repeated harassment).
Bring up some examples of this harassment then *Jazz hands*. I've only written playful jabs the same that I do to other users in the server. I wont jump to concluding that you're crying wolf, but maybe your bar for constituting that is too low. And why has no one else brought this to attention?
loom said:
Not to mention going straight to a negative, instead of DMailing me first or at least neutraling. I don't think it's that far of a reach to understand why I ignored the feedback.
Again talked in the server already, input was ignored, those would have been redundant. If you're approving as a joke then you should know better, I don't condone other shitpost-approvals either.
Conversely if you genuinely need your hand held with an explanation on why the post was low quality then it was only going to be a matter of time before your capability of properly vetting uploads was called into question by someone else regardless of my negative feedback.
However I do think the actions taken against other users may have been an overcorrection in some cases. Other than that I wouldn't have changed a thing regarding my feedback.
Updated by Bionicman76
In addition to what Bionic said:
The Discord server is an official extension of the site, everything said there to an user counts as informing them about a certain issue. The fact that not all users use the Discord bears no meaning to this. It's way easier to reach out to a certain user, however.
The circlejerking on the Discord server is a legit issue that is troubling the site.
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