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You should use as many correct tags as you can, but it's normal to not get every tag. It's okay to have a few tags missing and let more knowledgeable users add them for you. It's not okay to make others do most of the work for you.
Proper tagging is a skill that takes time to master. Some tags have very specific uses that may not always be obvious to a newcomer. I wouldn't expect most new members to know some of the more niche tags such as Zettai Ryouiki. So I don't think it's a big deal if a new member forgets some tags as long as they eventually improve.
The 20-tag minimum is a guideline to discourage mintagging, not a hard rule. Some posts might not have enough content for 20 tags, and that's okay. But most will. Instead of focusing on the number, think to yourself "Is there anything I haven't tagged yet that I know how to?" But if you still want a general idea of how many tags you should expect to add, most of my uploads have between 40 and 70 tags depending on how many characters are present.
Also, since this hasn't been mentioned yet, learn implications. They'll save you a lot of time. You don't need to tag smile if you're already tagging grin, for example; the site will add it for you.
nth_color said:
And what's the point of a gallery that doesn't have the picture I'm looking for at all because nobody posted it before it got erased from the internet? Easing on the tag requirements and making it easier to post more images in less time would at least decrease the chances of that happening.
Well then you should weight the pros and cons, do you use a site like Danbooru which requires you to tag or do you use a site like Zerochan which only requires the artist, character, and copyright but doesn't save commentary?
Frankly I LIKE that we have minimum tagging requirements because I hate when I'm trying to find art that I know is on a site like Sankaku but nobody bothered tagging basic objects in it 15 years ago.
Blank_User said:
Also, since this hasn't been mentioned yet, learn implications. They'll save you a lot of time. You don't need to tag smile if you're already tagging grin, for example; the site will add it for you.
Yes this is a great time save! Colored objects tend to imply the base tag, holding_gun and holding_sword knock out a ton of tags all at once, holding_* tags, ect.
Really the more you tag and learn the fsster it gets.
nth_color said:
And what's the point of a gallery that doesn't have the picture I'm looking for at all because nobody posted it before it got erased from the internet? Easing on the tag requirements and making it easier to post more images in less time would at least decrease the chances of that happening.
Media Assets.
And you can always upload with no tags. Tagging and uploading fast are not contadictory concepts.
zetsubousensei said:
None that I can think of, Yandre, Sankaku, and Konachan get archived by SauceNAO and TBIB but don't preserve artist data or commentary.
Zerochan isn't saved by SauceNAO but is saved by IDQB. It has artist links but doesn't save commentary.
I don't think SauceNAO and IDQB are saving pictures. I have the impression that these are search sites, they only store (very) low quality version of the pictures, and you can search against them, similarly how google/bing/yandex search works.
岩戸鈴芽 said:
And, as explained in the message you're replying to, destroy a core functionality of this website. If you just want the image preservfed at all, maybe use the internet archive, but tagging is a fundamental element of Danbooru after all.
I don't just want it to be preserved at all, I want it to be findable on Google, Saucenao, etc., by the name of the copyright and the names of the characters, with the source and the artist's name included, so that the fans of the series that I'm posting fanart of could easily find it when they're typing the name of the series, or the fans of the artist could find their works by typing their name, but having to inspect the image to note down every mundane detail in it even though it's literally only ever gonna be the fans of the series that will search for the art I post and they will with 99% chance just use the name of the series or the character in their search is going to slow me down considerably no matter what. That's why I'm looking for alternative websites where sharing art is easier. Feel free to prioritize tags over making sure that more art isn't lost to time, no one's stopping you.
reg_panda said:
I don't think SauceNAO and IDQB are saving pictures. I have the impression that these are search sites, they only store (very) low quality version of the pictures, and you can search against them, similarly how google/bing/yandex search works.
They indeed do not store the pictures, but they allow you to find other sites who do. Danbooru is indexed by SauceNAO, so images present on Danbooru can be found by reverse searching on SauceNAO. Zerochan is saved by IQDB but not SauceNAO. This difference in coverage between sites makes it difficult to find an "ideal" site to archive on. Danbooru is already pretty rare because of it's wide support, so finding a site that is fine with no/less tagging will be nearly impossible.
nth_color said:
I don't just want it to be preserved at all, I want it to be findable on Google, Saucenao, etc., by the name of the copyright and the names of the characters, with the source and the artist's name included, so that the fans of the series that I'm posting fanart of could easily find it when they're typing the name of the series, or the fans of the artist could find their works by typing their name, but having to inspect the image to note down every mundane detail in it even though it's literally only ever gonna be the fans of the series that will search for the art I post and they will with 99% chance just use the name of the series or the character in their search is going to slow me down considerably no matter what. That's why I'm looking for alternative websites where sharing art is easier. Feel free to prioritize tags over making sure that more art isn't lost to time, no one's stopping you.
nth_color said:
I don't just want it to be preserved at all, I want it to be findable on Google, Saucenao, etc., by the name of the copyright and the names of the characters, with the source and the artist's name included, so that the fans of the series that I'm posting fanart of could easily find it when they're typing the name of the series, or the fans of the artist could find their works by typing their name, but having to inspect the image to note down every mundane detail in it even though it's literally only ever gonna be the fans of the series that will search for the art I post and they will with 99% chance just use the name of the series or the character in their search is going to slow me down considerably no matter what. That's why I'm looking for alternative websites where sharing art is easier. Feel free to prioritize tags over making sure that more art isn't lost to time, no one's stopping you.
There are multiple users uploading, and the risk of an artist deleting their post after putting it up on pixiv is not very common and can be salvaged by straight up putting the image into the media assets tab.
Look at it this way: We should cherish every upload we can get and do the best out of it. You can't salvage everything anyways, so there's no point losing tagging integrity over it, because we can ensure our tagging to be good.
nth_color said:
I don't just want it to be preserved at all, I want it to be findable on Google, Saucenao, etc., by the name of the copyright and the names of the characters, with the source and the artist's name included, so that the fans of the series that I'm posting fanart of could easily find it when they're typing the name of the series, or the fans of the artist could find their works by typing their name, but having to inspect the image to note down every mundane detail in it even though it's literally only ever gonna be the fans of the series that will search for the art I post and they will with 99% chance just use the name of the series or the character in their search is going to slow me down considerably no matter what. That's why I'm looking for alternative websites where sharing art is easier. Feel free to prioritize tags over making sure that more art isn't lost to time, no one's stopping you.
You don't need a different website, you simply need to keep posting here and not obsess over tag count. The sun will still rise tomorrow if your posts have 15 general tags instead of 50.
岩戸鈴芽 said:
Can you read what I've wrote before replying? Media assets aren't indexed on Saucenao or anywhere else and you can't search them by source or add any tags to them manually, and AI tags only pick up the most popular characters and copyrights. Tagging an image fully or tagging the most important aspects of it is ALWAYS going to be slower than tagging artist, characters, copyright and moving onto the next image. As I already said, I have hundreds of thousands of images in my backlog and in the nearly 2 years that I've been here I posted less than 20k posts in total, so I'm never gonna get through it just by tagging normally.
nth_color said:
Can you read what I've wrote before replying? Media assets aren't indexed on Saucenao or anywhere else and you can't search them by source or add any tags to them manually, and AI tags only pick up the most popular characters and copyrights. Tagging an image fully or tagging the most important aspects of it is ALWAYS going to be slower than tagging artist, characters, copyright and moving onto the next image. As I already said, I have hundreds of thousands of images in my backlog and in the nearly 2 years that I've been here I posted less than 20k posts in total, so I'm never gonna get through it just by tagging normally.
Zerochan, Sankaku, Yandere, ect.
Zerochan in particular would be great if you're just concerned about it coming up in a google search. I feel like you might be making a mountain out of a molehill though, if you have them in assests they're already saved and now you can leisurely upload them with no rush.
nth_color said:
and AI tags only pick up the most popular characters and copyrights. Tagging an image fully or tagging the most important aspects of it is ALWAYS going to be slower than tagging artist, characters, copyright and moving onto the next image. As I already said, I have hundreds of thousands of images in my backlog and in the nearly 2 years that I've been here I posted less than 20k posts in total, so I'm never gonna get through it just by tagging normally.
It is a shame, it should be a trivial change for danbooru to make Uploads to store the tags/hashtags (and author information and commentaries) that the upload script gets. That would make most media assets to be searchable by characters.
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Updated by reg panda
reg_panda said:
It is a shame, it should be a trivial change for danbooru to make Uploads to store tags too. That would make most media assets to be searchable by characters.
IIRC the opinion on this idea was basically "a tagged media asset should always be a post". To be honest, having an "upload as deleted" option would be cool for this, but strictly it's not really required since even unres can upload images to the queue. I know that doesn't solve the issue of having to tag more than just the characters and copyrights, but then it kind of cricles back to such tagging being fundamental to Danbooru.
zetsubousensei said:
Zerochan, Sankaku, Yandere, ect.
Zerochan in particular would be great if you're just concerned about it coming up in a google search. I feel like you might be making a mountain out of a molehill though, if you have them in assests they're already saved and now you can leisurely upload them with no rush.
If they're already in media assets... then why not make them more visible by posting them, even if not perfectly tagged, if it's not a pixel-perfect or just a duplicate or some off-topic meme or low quality or whatever. There are soon going to be 23 million assets on the website, so there are over 10 million unposted assets collecting dust possibly until the end of the time if the person who uploaded the asset never feels like posting it, even though there are definitely images that people would have liked to see among them in there. If someone else has uploaded, say, a Pretty Series picture or a picture from an artist I like to media assets, I want to see it right away instead of only whenever they can get around to tagging it with an acceptable amount of tags, so that I can give it an upvote/fav it, or go look at the artist's other works if it's an artist I'm unfamiliar with and they draw fanart of series I like. And who is ever going to get around to tagging all of those to a sufficient level? Why is it that keeping uploadable assets as assets unless sufficiently tagged has been deemed the best option, when a post with few tags is still much easier to find than a media asset? If an asseted image stays unposted for too long and the source gets deleted, the commentary will be lost too. You also can't rely on Saucenao anymore to give you results for drawings posted on Pixiv after late 2023 so if a recent Pixiv drawing gets deleted while it's still in assets, you might not even be able to tell who the artist for it was. While I'm grateful that media assets are a thing at all, I think that keeping a good image as a media asset is worse for searchability than posting it with bare minimum tags.
nth_color said:
If they're already in media assets... then why not make them more visible by posting them, even if not perfectly tagged, if it's not a pixel-perfect or just a duplicate or some off-topic meme or low quality or whatever. There are soon going to be 23 million assets on the website, so there are over 10 million unposted assets collecting dust possibly until the end of the time if the person who uploaded the asset never feels like posting it, even though there are definitely images that people would have liked to see among them in there. If someone else has uploaded, say, a Pretty Series picture or a picture from an artist I like to media assets, I want to see it right away, instead of only whenever they can get around to tagging it with an acceptable amount of tags. And who is ever going to get around to tagging all of those to a sufficient level? Why is it that keeping uploadable assets as assets unless sufficiently tagged has been deemed the best option, when a post with few tags is still much easier to find than a media asset? If an asseted image stays unposted for too long and the source gets deleted, the commentary will be lost too. You also can't rely on Saucenao anymore to give you results for drawings posted on Pixiv after late 2023 so if a recent Pixiv drawing gets deleted while it's still in assets, you might not even be able to tell who the artist for it was. While I'm grateful that media assets are a thing at all, I think that keeping a good image as a media asset is worse for searchability than posting it with bare minimum tags.
Who's going to find those pictures if they're not properly tagged? We don't tag for fun, we tag to be able to find the pictures we're uploading. And it's a requirement because if the uploader doesn't do it then most people aren't going to bother. If it ends up in tagme it'll stay there for years.
nonamethanks said:
Who's going to find those pictures if they're not properly tagged? We don't tag for fun, we tag to be able to find the pictures we're uploading. And it's a requirement because if the uploader doesn't do it then most people aren't going to bother. If it ends up in tagme it'll stay there for years.
As I've said already, if the artist, copyright and character tags are included, then that's already got most people who will be interested in finding your image covered, aka the fans of the copyrights you're posting.
nth_color said:
As I've said already, if the artist, copyright and character tags are included, then that's already got most people who will be interested in finding your image covered, aka the fans of the copyrights you're posting.
What about the people that know what a character looks like but not their name? Or what about the people who like specific physical traits such as blue hair and just want to see images of characters with that trait in general?
Blank_User said:
What about the people that know what a character looks like but not their name? Or what about the people who like specific physical traits such as blue hair and just want to see images of characters with that trait in general?
For blue-haired characters I can do an ai:blue_hair search, and if there's a character who I only remember by their appearance then I'm going to try using Google first to find out their name or ask ChatGPT, Danbooru wouldn't be my first or second option for that.
nonamethanks said:
And it's a requirement because if the uploader doesn't do it then most people aren't going to bother. If it ends up in tagme it'll stay there for years.
What about fans? toaru_kagaku_no_railgun tagme has 0 pictures right now. (It had 1 picture, but I removed it.)
The search for pictures that were tagged with railgun when tagme got removed, https://danbooru.donmai.us/post_versions/search?search[removed_tags]=tagme&search[tag_matches]=toaru_kagaku_no_railgun timeouts. It could at least return the one picture that I've just removed
