Clarification for Uploading

I'm just curious (I don't want to ruffle feathers) why hard translations are only borderline acceptable. Egg on my face for not reading the rules closely enough, but it still left the uncertainty for why this isn't a thing?

Now I fear getting a negative point and I don't really know why it's negative. I understand so far as third-party translations maybe being inaccurate, but I try to do my due diligence as to their accuracy before uploading. If I'm only allowed 15 uploads, I'm to make sure to put up high quality versions with what I thought were improvements. I don't want to use up my uploading cap only for them to be instantly rejected (which incidentally ended up happening).

For the foreseeable future, I'm not going to upload anything. I've been scared straight, but the question still lingers.

It's mainly because our notes system allows us to overlay the original text with a translation. This means they can be read in English without altering the image itself. It also means translation errors are easy to fix.

If the original image is available and of decent quality, there's not much benefit to posting a hard-translated version of it. If you have good reason to believe the hard translation is accurate, you can copy the translated text to notes overlaying the original text and give credit in a comment.

Edit: Changed wording a bit for clarity.

help:upload_rules currently says that hard-translated comics are allowed on danbooru, you just have to be super duper careful, and expect higher rejection ratio. So do third-party_edit, hard-translated, hard-translated_(non-english), and anything related.

They are in a weird situation in practice, as you can see 95% or more of hard translation gets rejected: hard-translated. (Turn on the display of deleted pictures.) Most people you ask will even say that they are against the rules.

This situation is not ideal, since it can mislead people, and then they'll lose their upload slots. ...

... As a user, I love hard translated images, post #7797201 is a better image than its parent. But as a tagger, I hate duplicated images, since they cause twice the work.

I can't speak in the name of approvers, but I think your hard-translated, and decensored images will be rejected in the future too.

reg_panda said:

help:upload_rules currently says that hard-translated comics are allowed on danbooru, you just have to be super duper careful, and expect higher rejection ratio. So do third-party_edit, hard-translated, hard-translated_(non-english), and anything related.

Most third-party edits and non-English hard translated posts are against the rules. To simplify things, most third-party edits that aren't (mainly non-destructive edits) don't implicate the tag.

As for hard-translated posts in non-English languages, they would still need to be translated to English like any other post, except now they're being translated from a translation, meaning errors are more likely. They're only allowed when the original image is not available.

They are in a weird situation in practice, as you can see 95% or more of hard translation gets rejected: hard-translated. (Turn on the display of deleted pictures.) Most people you ask will even say that they are against the rules.

This situation is not ideal, since it can mislead people, and then they'll lose their upload slots. ...

I don't see how it's misleading. It's borderline content because while it's not going to be approvable most of the time, there are exceptions. Borderline content is usually only accepted under extraordinary conditions.

... As a user, I love hard translated images, post #7797201 is a better image than its parent. But as a tagger, I hate duplicated images, since they cause twice the work.

If the images are similar enough, you can just make sure one post is fully tagged, copy/paste the gentags to the other post, and add/remove tags as needed. Definitely much faster than typing them all out again.

I can't speak in the name of approvers, but I think your hard-translated, and decensored images will be rejected in the future too.

Third-party decensoring is pretty much a guarantee for rejection (or even manual deletion) since it's explicitly against the rules.

Third-party decensoring is pretty much a guarantee for rejection (or even manual deletion) since it's explicitly against the rules.

No, not explicitly. You probably remember nude filter. Check help:upload_rules, third-party edit and decensored.
Third-party edit lists allowed and disallowed third party edits, and decensored isn't in either of the lists.

reg_panda said:

No, not explicitly. You probably remember nude filter. Check help:upload_rules, third-party edit and decensored.
Third-party edit lists allowed and disallowed third party edits, and decensored isn't in either of the lists.

I was actually thinking of this line:

"Anything else that substantially alters the content of the image"

I thought decensored would fall into that category, but there are some approved posts with that tag, and there may be ways to do it without changing the image too much (forum #66858). I'd still think twice before uploading decensored posts, though.

Blank_User said:

I was actually thinking of this line:

"Anything else that substantially alters the content of the image"

I thought decensored would fall into that category, but there are some approved posts with that tag, and there may be ways to do it without changing the image too much (forum #66858). I'd still think twice before uploading decensored posts, though.

I rephrased the third-party edit wiki a bit, it still doesn't feel quite right but it should emphasize more how limited the scope of allowed third-party edits is. Honestly I'm not a fan of the examples given, as this seems to give the impression that these are fine, while in reality they should only really be upped by people that know what they're doing (stitching needs to be done right, colorization needs to be done well, cropping in limited circumstances like comment #2382521, honestly I don't even know when cleaning/detexting is acceptable?).

That doesn't mean @reg_panda 's interpretation isn't completely inane though. Even if the wikis don't explicitly say these things, there's enough warnings, ifs and buts that it should be obvious that there's massive warning flags saying "please don't unless you really really know" attached to these things.

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It's been going on for a while↑

Also, the mp4 file I downloaded before cannot be uploaded to this website, but others can, which is too delaying.

We're getting close to post #8000000 (it's a few minutes away) so rate limits were temporarily added to make sure everyone has a fair chance at getting it without some guy dumping 100 pics at once.