Danbooru

Rethinking flagging

Posted under General

Deleted images aren't deleted anyways, I think the drama would go away if you'd just treat them as bad_quality (won't show unless actually searched for, not just hidden on the page like blacklist) rather than "deleted".

Current system is terrible.

Probably less work for mod queue if it were done that way too.

nonamethanks said:

Flagging is already zero work for approvers.

Only if it doesn't require you to be using a computer, oops, it does. Time is work. Nobody is getting paid. Good things get deleted.

Dalamar said:

Only if it doesn't require you to be using a computer, oops, it does. Time is work. Nobody is getting paid. Good things get deleted.

It takes a single click to reapprove a flagged picture. It's in fact more work to flag it, or even to upload anything. Why not just have automated uploads as well?

The answer is the same: because otherwise crap will end up on the site's main gallery.

Crap has always gotten approved, and good things have always been deleted. Why so much elitism?

Making bad_quality act as a "deleted" post that can be manually searched is just fine. It's not like it would consume more space since nothing is deleted anyways as it is.

Dalamar said:

Crap has always gotten approved, and good things have always been deleted.

Crap getting approved is why we have flags. Good things getting deleted is why we have appeals. You're welcome to do both.

Making bad_quality act as a "deleted" post that can be manually searched is just fine. It's not like it would consume more space since nothing is deleted anyways as it is.

We don't have a "bad_quality" tag. There was a fairly subjective poorly_drawn tag once, but it was removed once it was decided that badly drawn art should just get flagged instead. Questions of quality are better left to trusted approvers than put in the hands of any user who can add or remove tags on a whim.

Also, I don't think tags work the way you think they do, i.e "won't show unless actually searched for". We don't have any tags that are hidden from everyone by default. It probably wouldn't take too much effort to code a special type of tag that does this, but I don't see a reason for this when we already have status:deleted.

nonamethanks said:

We already have that as status:deleted.

And there's already a booru that doesn't delete bad stuff - it's called Gelbooru.

Gelbooru also doesn't put much effort in tagging. Sankaku is also better than gelbooru but they're still both pretty bad. Also, many unapproved posts only have minor quirks, rather than being straight terrible like what you see on TBIB etc.

And "good" and "bad" are both rather subjective. Certain elitists are always raising stinks about bad art and then posting stuff like: post #3339569 *cough*
I can find problems with the vast majority of top tier art(ists) if I wanted to!

Either way I'm really fed up with the mod queue problem.
More proof it doesn't work, this has been pending for 2 days for example: post #3338011

iridescent_slime said:
Also, I don't think tags work the way you think they do, i.e "won't show unless actually searched for". We don't have any tags that are hidden from everyone by default. It probably wouldn't take too much effort to code a special type of tag that does this, but I don't see a reason for this when we already have status:deleted.

I could have sworn status:deleted didn't work for normal members, but it just showed in incognito tab. Either way my point above still stands.

For myself, I think the current system works well enough.

The following are my thoughts on the current and proposed systems.

Status quo

Pros:
  • Multi-approver system guarantees all approved images will meet the lowest standards of at least one of the approvers, so it's very permissive
    • This also includes both pending and flagged posts
  • Appeal/Flag system provides a formal structured mechanism for any user to get a post's status reversed
  • The high penalty of post deletion is a great motivator/demotivator for image quality
Cons:
  • Moderators are needed to maintain the list of current approvers, adding or pruning as needed
    • Perception from some that the mod queue (list of approvers / unlimited uploaders) doesn't work, as image A gets approved, but image B doesn't
  • Perceived slighting, whether real or not, of a user's judgement when an image is flagged/unapproved
Either:

Depends on user's POV

  • Deleted posts hidden by default

Proposed

Pros:
  • Any user can change the quality tags
Cons:
  • Any user can change the quality tags
    • Retarded edit wars, no formal structured mechanism for changing a quality tag
      • Vast potential for vandalism, especially older less-monitored posts
    • Perceived slighting, whether real or not, of a user's judgement when an image is tagged
  • Medium/low penalty of post tagged with bad quality, providing a "meh" motivator/demotivator for image quality
Either:

Depends on user's POV

  • Bad quality hidden with a blacklist instead

Final

I prefer the current system which is well-defined and structured, providing formal mechanism to change a post's status. The proposed system seems a lot more chaotic, and in my opinion it is ultimately more likely to increase the amount of drama rather than decreasing it as claimed.

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