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Does showering count as bathing?

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BUR #21133 has been rejected.

create implication showering -> bathing
create implication shared_bathing -> bathing
create implication clothed_bath -> bathing

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Consequence of this implication would be that someone can't search for different people showering and bathing at the same time, but that's already not possible as showering bathing has several hundred posts, so if someone TRULY wants to find posts like that they already need to create a new tag for it.

We also make no finegrained distinction for shared bathing, clothed bath etc.

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Provence said:

No.
And I think the semantics are fairly clear here (unless English is stupid again).

I think it's a case of English being stupid, but I don't think in normal usage any normal person would call taking a shower bathing. Similarly if someone says they're going to take a bath, the most common understanding would be they're actually going to be soaking themselves in the tub and not taking a shower.

The dictionary definition of the verb 'bathing' does plausibly include both activities. The problem is that no English speaker actually uses the verb 'to bathe.' It would be hilariously un-idiomatic to say "I bathed earlier," or "I'm going to bathe tonight." Maybe in the 1800s people talked like that, but not today. What native English speakers actually do in 2023 is use 'bath' as a noun and say either "I'm going to shower/I showered," or "I'm going to take a bath/I took a bath." All of these phrases unambiguously exclude the alternative activity.

The point of pointing this out being that when I see the bathing tag, I understand it as "taking a bath," meaning "submersed my body in water."

Plus, I don't see what good this BUR supposedly does. It's not obviously correct and I haven't seen any argument for it actually helps with in terms of searching for images. They're two very clearly visually distinguishable activities. Why would they not be tagged separately?

CoreMack said:

Plus, I don't see what good this BUR supposedly does. It's not obviously correct and I haven't seen any argument for it actually helps with in terms of searching for images. They're two very clearly visually distinguishable activities. Why would they not be tagged separately?

I suppose the point is to have a tag for people washing themselves.

Someone still needs to garden bathing showering though.

Plus, I don't see what good this BUR supposedly does. It's not obviously correct and I haven't seen any argument for it actually helps with in terms of searching for images. They're two very clearly visually distinguishable activities. Why would they not be tagged separately?

There's clearly a shared interest between showering and taking a bath. Anime Bath Scene Wiki covers showering just as any other bath (swimming is out of its scope).

Bathing is still valuable, but should be renamed for less ambiguity. It really risks people tagging people that are just immersed in any bath, including swimming pools. The point of the tag is technically supposed to be that the character needs to be cleaning or wiping themselves, but part of the problem is that many people wash up by spending a lot of time soaking/relaxing in the bath without any sort of scrubbing. Just like people standing under a shower and letting the water do the work.

(was going to change upvote to mehvote)

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Showering, and maybe bathing, should imply washing. That already has over 1k posts. Right now, the wiki seems to suggest it requires some deliberate wiping/scrubbing/soaping, but the definition should be expanded. There are already some other tags for characters washing themselves (like washing arm, washing feet, and washing hair, but they're underused, and it would be beneficial umbrella tag for washing any part of the body, including by just standing under a shower.

There's also washing another, but it's weird there's no washing self tag to complement that. Maybe showering and bathing should imply washing self, too; what do you think? There are some niche situations where a character is sitting outside of a bathtub/shower and washing another person or animal that's in the shower, but is that person or animal really showering or bathing? Nah. Showering or bathing characters are always doing it themselves.

Bathing and/or bath (in definition or name) could be changed to the realm of "in bath". Otherwise, bathing could be deprecated due to the ambiguity. Though pretty much any pool/body of water is a bath, the intended tag use might already be properly understood.

I'd really prefer something like washing up or washing own body (washing another's body instead of washing another, etc.) over washing, but that can be fixed after. You can wash dishes, cars, and other dirty things. I don't actually find washing valuable on its own, so for me, implications to washing self and washing another are more important than implications than washing. Washing dishes, car, self, another could all imply washing though? And then you have cleaning...

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