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create alias paper_cup -> coffee_cup
create alias papercup -> coffee_cup
create alias large_mug -> coffee_mug
create implication coffee_mug -> cup
Cleanup; unless we want to keep paper_cup for soft drinks; e.g. create a new soda_cup tag?
The bulk update request #1299 has been rejected.
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Why exactly would a large mug be a coffee mug by definition? Not to mention that the tag isn't used yet.
Paper cup seems to be used for a rather wider variety of things than just coffee cups, including a couple of cases of the cups in string phones, for instance. You already mentioned that it would need the creation of a new tag, but why make it so that essentially the same item is split over multiple tags when the current situation is fine? And of course even the paper cups made for coffee can hold a wide variety of drinks in, so sticking them all under coffee cup has the potential to be misleading, whereas paper cup is... well, the actual name of the thing being depicted.
Meanwhile, coffee cup is a mess. The wiki seems to indicate that it should be used for disposable cups, but a good half of the tag's uses are for other sorts of cups.
Papercup is neither used nor even a word. Why should it get an alias to anything? We don't have an alias from dutchangle to dutch_angle or openmouth to open_mouth, for instance.
Surely an implication from coffee mug to mug would be better than one to cup?
As it stands, -1 to all of them, although if you explained what your actual reasoning is then there are some that I could conceivably be persuaded of.
I thought coffee cup was specifically for the cups with a snap-on lid and insulating sleeve, like post #2547642 and post #2836659. Aliasing to this would mean a lot of posts getting mistagged, even if you manually retagged all the soda cups beforehand.
As for the large mug alias, it's unnecessary (0 posts) and problematic (a lot of large mugs are beer mugs).
It's worth noting that mug already implicates cup, so making coffee mug implicate mug would serve the same purpose as a coffee mug -> cup implication.
While we're on this subject, there's also an exceptionally vague drinking cup tag that doesn't do anything the cup tag doesn't already do.
kuuderes_shadow said:
Why exactly would a large mug be a coffee mug by definition? Not to mention that the tag isn't used yet.
Going by its wiki definition
"A type of mug that holds about 2 cups of hot coffee"
I propose to this alias so that it's easier to understand it stands for a large/double-sized mug.
Paper cup seems to be used for a rather wider variety of things than just coffee cups, including a couple of cases of the cups in string phones, for instance. You already mentioned that it would need the creation of a new tag, but why make it so that essentially the same item is split over multiple tags when the current situation is fine? And of course even the paper cups made for coffee can hold a wide variety of drinks in, so sticking them all under coffee cup has the potential to be misleading, whereas paper cup is... well, the actual name of the thing being depicted.
We could maybe remove both paper_cup & coffee_cup by aliasing both to something like disposable_cup?
Meanwhile, coffee cup is a mess. The wiki seems to indicate that it should be used for disposable cups, but a good half of the tag's uses are for other sorts of cups.
At a guess, I think users are seeing coffee in the image, and adding coffee_cup based on that.
Papercup is neither used nor even a word. Why should it get an alias to anything? We don't have an alias from dutchangle to dutch_angle or openmouth to open_mouth, for instance.
"Papercup" returns 8,940k Google results, only 880k less than "Paper cup"
Also tea_cup -> teacup
Surely an implication from coffee mug to mug would be better than one to cup?
Regarding coffee cup - this has been used the way it is since long before the wiki page was created. Which either means that the wiki is bad or that the tag needs a change of usage. I'm indifferent as to which route is taken but this probably warrants its own separate decision.
Kikimaru said:
Going by its wiki definition
"A type of mug that holds about 2 cups of hot coffee"
I propose to this alias so that it's easier to understand it stands for a large/double-sized mug.
My concern with this is more along the lines of if ALL large mugs should be given the coffee mug tag, which this alias would suggest. For instance, a large soup mug is not a coffee mug, and can be radically different in shape to anything coffee is normally drunk from.
We could maybe remove both paper_cup & coffee_cup by aliasing both to something like disposable_cup?
That would be certainly be an option, yes, and possibly better than the current situation. If we chose to go with the wiki definition of coffee cup then I'd be in favour of this.
"Papercup" returns 8,940k Google results, only 880k less than "Paper cup"
Also tea_cup -> teacup
Only because papercup returns a shedload of results that are actually finding "paper cup".
If you put the quotation marks around them to give only the things you are actually searching for, "papercup" gives 402k results (of which the top results are all names of companies), against 8490k for "paper cup".
Teacup, on the other hand, is an actual word.
Which is all the more reason to put the implication to mug.
An implication of coffee mug to mug would give everything tagged with coffee mug the mug and cup tags as well. An implication to cup would only give them the cup tag. The implication should go to mug unless there are cases where a coffee mug is a cup but not a mug.
kuuderes_shadow said:
That would be certainly be an option, yes, and possibly better than the current situation. If we chose to go with the wiki definition of coffee cup then I'd be in favour of this.
The wiki definition of coffee cup is overly specific and doesn't take into account the fact that there are coffee cups that aren't disposable. This is reflected in our use of the tag (post #1707180, post #2076725, post #2289991, post #2472699, post #2676139, and so on) from prior to the creation of the wiki. If you alias coffee cup to disposable cup, then, well, disposable cup will be a mess too.
I see nothing wrong with aliasing paper cup to disposable cup, though. Same for plastic cup and soda cup.
The bulk update request #1299 has been rejected.
create implication coffee_mug -> mug
create implication coffee_cup -> disposable_cup
create alias paper_cup -> disposable_cup
create alias soda_cup -> disposable_cup
create alias plastic_cup -> disposable_cup
create implication disposable_cup -> cup
Cleaned up coffee_cup; posts have been moved to either coffee_mug or to coffee teacup.
*Edit: removed latte_art _> cappuccino
EDIT: The bulk update request #1319 (forum #136954) has been approved by @NWF_Renim.
Updated by DanbooruBot
Clean-up or alias for drinking_cup?
IDK when it started getting used but it has 210 posts as of RN
Drinking_cup appears to have been conceived by someone who was unaware cup was a tag. Images of characters drinking are a minority of posts with this tag. I'm all for a drinking_cup -> cup alias.
create alias drinking_cup -> cup
I'd be fine with a mass update too.
+1 to forum #136954 as well.
EDIT: The bulk update request #1414 (forum #140301) has been approved by @NWF_Renim.
Updated by DanbooruBot
The bulk update request #1414 (forum #140301) has been approved by @NWF_Renim.
The tag alias paper_cup -> disposable_cup has conflicting wiki pages. disposable_cup should be updated to include information from paper_cup if necessary.
The bulk update request #1319 (forum #136954) has been approved by @NWF_Renim.
The tag alias paper_cup -> disposable_cup has conflicting wiki pages. disposable_cup should be updated to include information from paper_cup if necessary.
