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Not sure if this is a good idea or not, but would it be alright to motivate people who contribute images here to tag better?
By adding tag_better or something... when they barely tag an image.
A lot just seem to tag vaguely and most of the time leave the main focal points of the images untagged (unless it's hentai, of course ¬¬;).
Updated by Evangeline A.K. McDowell
People who only add one tag, or miss characters, or series, or don't bother to look for artists, or worse yet just do "tagme" aren't going to notice or care about a "tag_better" tag. Especially if it's added by someone else at some point later long after the initial uploader has closed the page and won't see it.
Granola said:
Give them a negative record for lazy tagging. That will catch their attention and leave a permanent record for future examples.
Why not in addition send them mail "You Have Been Penalized for Lazy Tagging" or somesuch.
Keep in mind that I got drawn into actively contributing to the community from a nasty-gram I received. To make it less nasty link an article on proper tagging.
Granola said:
Give them a negative record for lazy tagging. That will catch their attention and leave a permanent record for future examples.
... this is a terrible and totally arbitrary idea.
"OH MY GOD, HE MISSED THIS ONE TOTALLY OBSCURE TAG! NEGATIVE RECORD!"
"OH SWEET JESUS, HE MISSED THIS ONE TAG THAT I TOTALLY FEEL IS THE MAIN POINT OF THE IMAGE! NEGATIVE RECORD!"
"MOTHER OF GOD, HE DIDN'T NOTICE WHAT I FEEL ARE TOTALLY OBVIOUS TAG(S)! NEGATIVE RECORD!"
Etc.
I seriously doubt anyone would like to work in an environment where one silly little mistake could possibly gain them a bad record because X person felt that X tag was soooo important. Wasn't the point in allowing anyone to edit tags so that everyone can contribute when necessary? There are plenty of taggers out there who would gladly pick up some of the slack for other people. Now, negative records for those people who upload images with just "tagme" and leave it at defiantly deserve it.
I know all of this coming from one of those lazy taggers(I'll get around to it eventually, I swear! orz) might be a bit absurd but I feel it is a valid point.
I really honestly do believe that nothing beyond character/copyright/artist needs to be tagged. There's a few other things that should be tagged (monochrome/comic) but if you're going to fault people for only tagging cca have fun leaving the owner of the site the first record.
Ars said:
"OH MY GOD, HE MISSED THIS ONE TOTALLY OBSCURE TAG! NEGATIVE RECORD!""OH SWEET JESUS, HE MISSED THIS ONE TAG THAT I TOTALLY FEEL IS THE MAIN POINT OF THE IMAGE! NEGATIVE RECORD!"
"MOTHER OF GOD, HE DIDN'T NOTICE WHAT I FEEL ARE TOTALLY OBVIOUS TAG(S)! NEGATIVE RECORD!"
Straw men are fun! One singular missed tag does not even begin to fucking imply "lazy tagging". We're talking no tags or just "breasts" or something.
Log said:
I really honestly do believe that nothing beyond character/copyright/artist needs to be tagged. There's a few other things that should be tagged (monochrome/comic) but if you're going to fault people for only tagging cca have fun leaving the owner of the site the first record.
I strongly disagree, and I also thought about putting a subscription on all of albert's uploads so I could flesh out the tags after he's uploaded them. I decided against it only because I have enough to do as it is. I understand that albert's busy also and nearly all of his images get fleshed out anyway, so it's not a big deal, but I'd advise against following his example.
Log said:
I really honestly do believe that nothing beyond character/copyright/artist needs to be tagged. There's a few other things that should be tagged (monochrome/comic) but if you're going to fault people for only tagging cca have fun leaving the owner of the site the first record.
You are so wrong that its not even funny. Why would you think that?
As スラッシュ pointed out it would be for the very obviously lazy taggers who ignore help and suggestions.
Log said:
3 tags is not lazy how? It's not poor tagging but it is the epitome of lazy tagging.
3 tags is definitely lazy tagging. I absolutely hate it when people do this.
But he runs the damn thing so I don't care about him. That doesn't mean we as a community should follow the example of one person. Its about taking some extra time and making sure a proper job is done, which is easy using the related tags function.
There are plenty of people who help tagging, which is thankless invisible work.
Log said: I really honestly do believe that nothing beyond character/copyright/artist needs to be tagged. There's a few other things that should be tagged (monochrome/comic) but if you're going to fault people for only tagging cca have fun leaving the owner of the site the first record.
Log is absolutely correct with the above.
If those three tags are present, then the image is tagged to an acceptable (note, I did not say ideal) standard, and leaving records on someone's account simply for that is what is unwarranted, and would result (if I noticed) in a removal of the neg and possibly a counter-neg to the record leaver for record abuse.
But I think we're talking about something rather more negligent than that. Like スラッシュ said, lazy tagging is 'tagme' or just 'breasts' and nothing else, and doing that repeatedly after warnings. Possibly also consistently ignoring warnings to include very basic tags that are relevant to explicit content blacklists, like 'sex' or 'cum' or 'pissing'.
People here have a wide range of opinions on what is acceptable tagging. That's why they're allowed to alter and add tags for someone elses' image. The only universal standard is that you need to basically identify the origin of the individuals in the image, or make a good faith effort to do so. Adding a few tags about the focal points of the image is also desirable and appreciated, but not required.
スラッシュ said:
Straw men are fun! One singular missed tag does not even begin to fucking imply "lazy tagging". We're talking no tags or just "breasts" or something.
He mentioned that in his post.
Lazy tagging is somewhat subjective term that can be abused depending on the person who's handing out the negative record. If you want to penalize people for lazy tagging then hammer out the concrete rules for that.
Going with Log's idea Artist/Copyright/Character should be the primary tags that can warrant a negative record if they're missing for no reason other than laziness. Secondary tags like garment, specific fetish, and obscure terms should be treated more leniently. There are a lot of obscure terms out there and we have to account for the uploaders knowledge as well.
Awhile back I recall looking at an user profile that had a + record complementing them on their constant accurate and complete tagging. In some of the stuff I've found and/or uploaded I've tagged them the best I could; though would fall short on the copyright and/or artist's. In these cases its been really cool to have other people fill in the tags (namely the artist) so I know who/what I have.
Oftentimes I'll find an image that really strikes me as pretty, well done or otherwise a high quality work of art; but I've got no clue at times as to who created it. In instances where the user knows little information about the image, but wants to share it maybe a help_tagme tag could be added. This would indicate that there is no laziness, instead a lack of knowledge. Then people that continue to spam the new tag could be easily weeded out and labelled as lazy when like 7 or 8 out of every 10 images they upload has that tag.
Azalyn said: Oftentimes I'll find an image that really strikes me as pretty, well done or otherwise a high quality work of art; but I've got no clue at times as to who created it. In instances where the user knows little information about the image, but wants to share it maybe a help_tagme tag could be added.
You can still use the normal "tagme" for this purpose. The few times where I don't know a character and research doesn't help me and I'm fairly certain it's not original, I'll add a tagme and also leave a comment on the image laying out what I know (or don't) and providing any useful links, like to the artist's comments, that might help someone else identify them.
It's good to also check back on some of these posts periodically, especially if you see the same character multiple times. Someone might not know who miyafuji_yoshika is the first time, and hey that's okay. Now if over the next week they upload a dozen more of her and still don't bother seeing if the old ones were tagged, then that's getting a bit annoying.
Also, there are people who upload numerous images from a series and add series but not character. For obscure characters, it may be an honest lack of information and inability to figure it out. But for someone to upload ten strike_witches posts, and to know it's Strike Witches, and yet not even bother to look at the other 2600+ images from the show and take the 20 seconds needed to figure out that the character in their image is miyafuji_yoshika, that is definitely a problem.
So yeah, people definitely aren't all expected to be anime experts who know every character and series. But doing a little bit of research is expected, and maybe even educational. And heck, I find it kind of fun...
