RuukotoPresents said:
Are we just going to ignore the fact that "anime" is literally Japanese for "animation"?
Try saying that to the guys at /a/. Besides, we're talking about the generally broad art style associated with anime.
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Kikimaru said:
By that definition, we now have to delete every Touhou work.
Drawn in the general anime art style, or the stuff that's not a screen capture from the fan anime?
The key point is that Booru built its reputation, such as it is, on is being a repository of anime and manga-style art which is held to some standards (unlike some sites) by having a moderator crew and the ability to flag any image that may not meet them. The only ones which are exempt are some very old legacy art from the early days of Danbooru. There are western copyrights on the site, but they're the minority... AND quite a few of those have been drawn in a more anime and manga style.
The new Doom poster is decent art, but it's probably always going to see some review - more than other art which more obviously fits the theme of the site and is similarly good.
The reason I keep bringing up DeviantArt is because it's an image hosting site where there's a reputation for hosting furry art which can be... of questionable quality. While Danbooru may mean cardboard box, it doesn't contain anything and everything. Someone's always sorting the contents to throw out things which may not fit.
What separates Danbooru from that if you restrict the ability to moderate images, which is something I've seen brought up in the forums before, especially relation to the aforementioned Doom poster.
Jarlath said:
Drawn in the general anime art style, or the stuff that's not a screen capture from the fan anime?
The key point is that Booru built its reputation, such as it is, on is being a repository of anime and manga-style art which is held to some standards (unlike some sites) by having a moderator crew and the ability to flag any image that may not meet them. The only ones which are exempt are some very old legacy art from the early days of Danbooru. There are western copyrights on the site, but they're the minority... AND quite a few of those have been drawn in a more anime and manga style.
The new Doom poster is decent art, but it's probably always going to see some review - more than other art which more obviously fits the theme of the site and is similarly good.
The reason I keep bringing up DeviantArt is because it's an image hosting site where there's a reputation for hosting furry art which can be... of questionable quality. While Danbooru may mean cardboard box, it doesn't contain anything and everything. Someone's always sorting the contents to throw out things which may not fit.
What separates Danbooru from that if you restrict the ability to moderate images, which is something I've seen brought up in the forums before, especially relation to the aforementioned Doom poster.
I was being slightly fascetious with my remark about Touhou.
Regarding DeviantArt, I think you should update your ideas on its "reputation". Yes, most of the furry art isn't "for Danbooru", which is why most it ends up on an alternative like e621. We have moderation systems in place to prevent a gigantic influx of poorly drawn art, and it seems to have been working for years without issue.
Regarding the DOOM poster (again!), it WAS moderated, and has now been approved by 3 different people. Why bring it up again?
Furry has very little to do with this topic. Why do you bring this up?
Besides, there even is a rule for furry art which can be found in the TOS. And if someone is starting to upload really, really bad furry art, they will probably receive a bad feedback and a ban if they continue. Besides that, the art will be "deleted".
But as I said: Furry has very little to do with this topic as its own point.
Same with DevianArt per se: DeviantArt is much more than just western art. That's all I've to say here.
So both have nothing to do with this topic in my eyes.
Jarlath said:
DeviantArt
DeviantArt really isn't a furry abyss. There are a lot of great artists there with anime and western influenced styles that fit quite well into this site. I think as an English-language site and its association with American online subculture it often gets misconstrued a place with no standards appealing only to strange fetishes which it is certainly not. There are some great sources for content that don't have to be Pixiv.
I think a lot of the same misconceptions about places like DeviantArt inform the argument against any and all western art. Which specific works might you object to?
source:*deviant*
Hey where's all the furry?
chodorov said:
source:*deviant*
Hey where's all the furry?
source:*deviant* furry There it is.
source:*pixiv* furry
Great. Can we get over this off topic now^^?
I think it isn't a problem until it is.
Part of the problem is it's very hard to determine whether a work is western-styled or not. The source or origin isn't definitive for determining this. There are plenty of American artists who can mimic the Japanese anime style well. And there are plenty of Japanese artists who bear a closer resemblance to traditional Western artists.
I'm okay with variety as long as it exists in moderation. Furry/guro art is tolerated as long as people aren't flooding the site with it. I think we can probably take the same stance with respect to western art.
My perception as a user is that it isn't a problem (yet).
Specific policy guidelines:
I think the current uploading rules are adequate since there's no specific ban on non-Japanese art. But I will modify it to clarify that western-styled art is accepted but subject to more scrutiny.
My opinions may change in the future if the ratio switches too far into the other direction.
albert said:
I think it isn't a problem until it is.
Part of the problem is it's very hard to determine whether a work is western-styled or not. The source or origin isn't definitive for determining this. There are plenty of American artists who can mimic the Japanese anime style well. And there are plenty of Japanese artists who bear a closer resemblance to traditional Western artists.
I'm okay with variety as long as it exists in moderation. Furry/guro art is tolerated as long as people aren't flooding the site with it. I think we can probably take the same stance with respect to western art.
My perception as a user is that it isn't a problem (yet).
Specific policy guidelines:
- Don't admonish people for flagging western art. It's borderline content and therefore some people will find it objectionable. Janitors should just use their own judgement whether it should exist on the site or not.
- If you consider a work too far outside the curve to belong on the site, go ahead and flag it.
I think the current uploading rules are adequate since there's no specific ban on non-Japanese art. But I will modify it to clarify that western-styled art is accepted but subject to more scrutiny.
My opinions may change in the future if the ratio switches too far into the other direction.
Thank you :). Good decision, I think.
If there are no further issues these are revised rules I will deploy soon:
The following may be uploaded, but will be put to a higher level of artistic and qualitative scrutiny than normal, and you absolutely must tag them with the corresponding tag. Please do not upload more than 20 a day of these works:
- Western: Drawings of characters from non-Japanese comics, games, and other properties.
What is the corresponding tag for Western art? And why 20? Will people start getting warnings and bans for uploading more than 20 pictures of, say, Overwatch in the same day? Even if they're drawn by Japanese artists in anime style?
fossilnix said:
What is the corresponding tag for Western art? And why 20? Will people start getting warnings and bans for uploading more than 20 pictures of, say, Overwatch in the same day? Even if they're drawn by Japanese artists in anime style?
I guess you should reading a bit through buehbueh's postings here, since they mention pretty well that it is more or less subjective.
And it's not like furry which can be determined without problems. So I don't want to have a tag for this.
This is more or less for the approval process, not the tagging process. And I guess your second question is answered with albert's post above. It doesn't need to be flooded. Like with furry or guro.
As far as an example of a Japanese artist who usually draws in an anime style but who occasionally goes West for inspiration, I'd point to kei-suwabe - I'd argue that the art is pretty good, and he doesn't go Western all the time.
There's also Japanese artists who draw anime/Japan video game properties in a Western-inspired format on occasion - post #2450059 is such an example. Tamago has definitely been exposed to Western styles, and he occasionally draws riffs on it (see the covers posted at post #2434496, post #2358010, and post #2341904 for examples).
I do agree with the idea of limiting rh the number of posts of such in a given day, though. Besides, the "1. (on donmai.us) A repository of high-quality anime-style art and doujinshi." definition is right there on the first page of the wiki.
I still don't get why after 11 years, but ok. This looks like complexing a matter with little gain. It is still subjective what someone condiders as western and what not. And will this tag help approving western-styled posts which was the intent of this thread? There would be still the margin of the approver if something like this fits.
If you want a name, western is already taken. So western-style or something like that? There is also the realistic tag, but I think we can throw that out of the window immediately.