I always forget that Shirou is bisexual, but thatās what you get from Fate extra as male Hakuno and Archer, isnāt it. But why is Sakura represented as Pansexual rather than bisexual?
I always forget that Shirou is bisexual, but thatās what you get from Fate extra as male Hakuno and Archer, isnāt it. But why is Sakura represented as Pansexual rather than bisexual?
(I know the artist) also for Sakura it's kinda more for vibes but both of us kinda see Sakura as someone who really wouldn't think of Shirou any differently no matter their sex/gender and wouldn't mind as long as she's loved. (she does canonically like women though at least)
If it was me I'd definitely kick their asses for being pedophobic. Trans rights are human rights. Black Lives Matter. We must stand up for Our Democracy.
Can I ask how I am wrong? Does fate extra not have any Male Hakuno and Archer romance/flirting?
I think people are more upset about the idea rather than the question itself. Itās really stupid but apparently interpreting a character as not straight is a big nono in the fandom of the series where Rin Tohsaka has sex with female King Arthur š
Can I ask how I am wrong? Does fate extra not have any Male Hakuno and Archer romance/flirting?
That's a separate entity from Shirou as depicted here. Shirou isn't bisexual. Same way Shirou isn't a remorseless mass murderer because Emiya Alter exists.
That's a separate entity from Shirou as depicted here. Shirou isn't bisexual. Same way Shirou isn't a remorseless mass murderer because Emiya Alter exists.
Thereās still the scene in hollow ataraxia where Shirou gets all flustered about Lancer and calls him a fine man. Anyway, why does it matter if people think he is or isnāt? death of the author yknow, (this is a general statement seeing all the flack this post and Varum are getting) if someone wants to think that Shirou is bi then what is the problem?
Thereās still the scene in hollow ataraxia where Shirou gets all flustered about Lancer and calls him a fine man. Anyway, why does it matter if people think he is or isnāt? death of the author yknow, (this is a general statement seeing all the flack this post and Varum are getting) if someone wants to think that Shirou is bi then what is the problem?
plus, archer still likes cooking doesnāt he? thereās no proof that he awakened to bisexuality before or after becoming a counter guardian.
Thereās still the scene in hollow ataraxia where Shirou gets all flustered about Lancer and calls him a fine man. Anyway, why does it matter if people think he is or isnāt? death of the author yknow, (this is a general statement seeing all the flack this post and Varum are getting) if someone wants to think that Shirou is bi then what is the problem?
because death of the author isn't a fact and it's not right to spread it as such. Writing interpretation and statement of fact are both valid to express, but not interchangeable. The mistake was stating it as a fact.
because death of the author isn't a fact and it's not right to spread it as such. Writing interpretation and statement of fact are both valid to express, but not interchangeable. The mistake was stating it as a fact.
i mean its still better to correct someone politely than mass downvoting them. especially with this topic, you cant tell if people were upset because homophobia or if they were upset because false information unless they correct them (people still haven't even answered if Archer flirts with MHakuno), and again, would someone be wrong in assuming that Shirou could be bisexual from Fate/extra Archer? It's not 100% proof but there isn't proof against it either.
i mean its still better to correct someone politely than mass downvoting them. especially with this topic, you cant tell if people were upset because homophobia or if they were upset because false information unless they correct them (people still haven't even answered if Archer flirts with MHakuno), and again, would someone be wrong in assuming that Shirou could be bisexual from Fate/extra Archer? It's not 100% proof but there isn't proof against it either.
Fate/Extra takes place in a different timeline than Fate/Stay Night, any information found there is only applicable there.
I think people are more upset about the idea rather than the question itself. Itās really stupid but apparently interpreting a character as not straight is a big nono in the fandom of the series where Rin Tohsaka has sex with female King Arthur š
Dont be stupid dude. The fate series is filled to the brim with bi and pan characters plus a few trans here and there. Nameless and by extention shirou are simply straight and have never shown any interest in anything but women and swords
i mean its still better to correct someone politely than mass downvoting them. especially with this topic, you cant tell if people were upset because homophobia or if they were upset because false information unless they correct them (people still haven't even answered if Archer flirts with MHakuno), and again, would someone be wrong in assuming that Shirou could be bisexual from Fate/extra Archer? It's not 100% proof but there isn't proof against it either.
Male and Female Hakuno share the same script with minor gender based changes. If there's any "flirting" in Male Hakuno's script with Archer that's because the script is unisex
Can I ask how I am wrong? Does fate extra not have any Male Hakuno and Archer romance/flirting?
Archer is the only servant male hakuno cant romance. You can have him date nero, tamamo and gil but nameless will still be your straight older brother.
Thereās still the scene in hollow ataraxia where Shirou gets all flustered about Lancer and calls him a fine man. Anyway, why does it matter if people think he is or isnāt? death of the author yknow, (this is a general statement seeing all the flack this post and Varum are getting) if someone wants to think that Shirou is bi then what is the problem?
The problem is when people try to paint it as canon when it isnt. If you want shirou to be bi, pan or trans all the more power to you as long as you dont try to force that view down people's throats. There exists hundreds of thousands of gay ship art of shirou and no one bats an eye because we know it isnt canon and its there to please the people that enjoy it
The problem is when people try to paint it as canon when it isnt. If you want shirou to be bi, pan or trans all the more power to you as long as you dont try to force that view down people's throats. There exists hundreds of thousands of gay ship art of shirou and no one bats an eye because we know it isnt canon and its there to please the people that enjoy it
right that's fine, I didn't know about the Fate/extra Archer stuff so this wasn't me arguing if that's canon or not. But at the same time there is no real confirmation of Shirou's sexuality one way or the other. Unless theres something about it I don't know about, people are likely downvoting the art due to the artist interpreting Shirou's character as bisexual, and there really shouldn't be a problem there. Making a fate lgbt pride post isnt a statement on canon. Hell, if you wanted to you could interpret this art as Rin and Sakura just teasing Shirou without him being bi. Anyway point is, nobody here is forcing bisexual Shirou down your throats, Varum made a mistake, mass downvoting art because you disagree with a headcanon is dumb.
right that's fine, I didn't know about the Fate/extra Archer stuff so this wasn't me arguing if that's canon or not. But at the same time there is no real confirmation of Shirou's sexuality one way or the other. Unless theres something about it I don't know about, people are likely downvoting the art due to the artist interpreting Shirou's character as bisexual, and there really shouldn't be a problem there. Making a fate lgbt pride post isnt a statement on canon. Hell, if you wanted to you could interpret this art as Rin and Sakura just teasing Shirou without him being bi. Anyway point is, nobody here is forcing bisexual Shirou down your throats, Varum made a mistake, mass downvoting art because you disagree with a headcanon is dumb.
he literally likes girls and has no feelings for boys. That's canon straight as it comes. Stop defending a wrong position.
he literally likes girls and has no feelings for boys. That's canon straight as it comes.
- nobody is saying heās gay, being bisexual requires you to like women yknow.
- nobody is even saying heās canonically bi, just is there any text in Fate/stay night or Fate/hollow ataraxia that explicitly states that Shirou 100% isnāt bisexualā¦?
- thereās still that scene in hollow ataraxia where Shirou gets flustered and blushes when Lancer tells him that heād let him sit on his lap if he was a girl, later goes on to call Lancer a āfine manā in the same scene. Itās not proof, but would it be completely impossible for someone to take that as him not being heterosexual? Youāre free to say that it isnāt, but THERE IS NO PROOF THAT IT IS ONE OR THE OTHER.
- Iāve already said that this art isnāt a statement on canon, why is it an issue that someone interprets his character in this way? What about this art is āshoving lgbt headcanonsā down your throat? Canāt people just ignore it if they donāt agree with it instead of mass downvoting it and saying shit like āewā? It really doesnāt matter to me if you think heās straight or not so why does it matter to any of you if someone else doesn't think the same?
- nobody is saying heās gay, being bisexual requires you to like women yknow.
- nobody is even saying heās canonically bi, just is there any text in Fate/stay night or Fate/hollow ataraxia that explicitly states that Shirou 100% isnāt bisexualā¦?
- thereās still that scene in hollow ataraxia where Shirou gets flustered and blushes when Lancer tells him that heād let him sit on his lap if he was a girl, later goes on to call Lancer a āfine manā in the same scene. Itās not proof, but would it be completely impossible for someone to take that as him not being heterosexual? Youāre free to say that it isnāt, but THERE IS NO PROOF THAT IT IS ONE OR THE OTHER.
- Iāve already said that this art isnāt a statement on canon, why is it an issue that someone interprets his character in this way? What about this art is āshoving lgbt headcanonsā down your throat? Canāt people just ignore it if they donāt agree with it instead of mass downvoting it and saying shit like āewā? It really doesnāt matter to me if you think heās straight or not so why does it matter to any of you if someone else doesn't think the same?
I downvoted it, cause the art quality isn't that great same as I do with other art. If others disagree and it has a positive rating, so be it. It's popular opinion at the end of the day. I wouldn't call "-15" mass downvoting on a site with 500k+ (back when I first joined) users, but eh~
But at the same time there is no real confirmation of Shirou's sexuality one way or the other.
Over the course of 2 games he fucks at least five women and Zero men, if that's not straight confirmation I have serious questions.
Negative_Creep said: - thereās still that scene in hollow ataraxia where Shirou gets flustered and blushes when Lancer tells him that heād let him sit on his lap if he was a girl, later goes on to call Lancer a āfine manā in the same scene. Itās not proof, but would it be completely impossible for someone to take that as him not being heterosexual? Youāre free to say that it isnāt, but THERE IS NO PROOF THAT IT IS ONE OR THE OTHER.
Most straight men act like that because it's fucking weird to be asked to sit in another guy's lap. Bromatic stuff happens a lot in Irish and Celtic myth, but Shiro is a modern japanese teen, they don't do that stuff.
- nobody is saying heās gay, being bisexual requires you to like women yknow.
- nobody is even saying heās canonically bi, just is there any text in Fate/stay night or Fate/hollow ataraxia that explicitly states that Shirou 100% isnāt bisexualā¦?
- thereās still that scene in hollow ataraxia where Shirou gets flustered and blushes when Lancer tells him that heād let him sit on his lap if he was a girl, later goes on to call Lancer a āfine manā in the same scene. Itās not proof, but would it be completely impossible for someone to take that as him not being heterosexual? Youāre free to say that it isnāt, but THERE IS NO PROOF THAT IT IS ONE OR THE OTHER.
- Iāve already said that this art isnāt a statement on canon, why is it an issue that someone interprets his character in this way? What about this art is āshoving lgbt headcanonsā down your throat? Canāt people just ignore it if they donāt agree with it instead of mass downvoting it and saying shit like āewā? It really doesnāt matter to me if you think heās straight or not so why does it matter to any of you if someone else doesn't think the same?
Keep in mind ateraxia shirou is actually angra. He mightve recreated the world and the characters with 100% accuracy with the only exception beinf shirou himself. Cuz he's role-playing shirou