It's almost as if her waist-hip ratio looks like that because she's clearly bent_over and was drawn with a huge_ass.
It's almost as if having that huge_ass that's so massively disproportionate is exactly what makes it flaggable... Considering that posts like this are almost constantly being flagged, why are you still so surprised at this point?
It's almost as if having that huge_ass that's so massively disproportionate is exactly what makes it flaggable... Considering that posts like this are almost constantly being flagged, why are you still so surprised at this point?
"Almost constantly"? You're not even certain about that, are you? Considering many posts like this are still standing, it seems that less people find posts like less of a problem than you or this flagger are attempting to make them out to be. Or that people seem to actually get how a few elements (bent_over + huge_ass) tend to make things look bigger and don't have to be pointed out why in the comments or appeals. Which I've already done with your flags at least twice before on post #2709690 and post #2712601, two posts that were also reapproved.
If it's a matter of personal taste, many that don't like posts like these seem to simply avoid them and move along. But this had to come with a flag reason of "Her waist-hip ratio does not look good", which is vague enough to be refuted by basic things that already make sense within the context of the picture.
And since you're trying to talk about surprise: Why are you or anyone else still surprised at this point that anyone can argue against a flag just as much as you can flag a post?
Or that people seem to actually get how a few elements (bent_over + huge_ass) tend to make things look bigger
It can also make it look weird, badly proportioned and out of place. It's not a black and white or objective matter, just because it's a combination of those two tags doesn't excuse it from being seen as poor quality or flagged for a check. Maybe it looks good to you, it doesn't to the person who flagged it - and you're not any more right than they are.
It's almost as if her waist-hip ratio looks like that because she's clearly bent_over and was drawn with a huge_ass.
@Apollyon If you are attacking @NWSiaCB for the use of the word "almost", then I have to say that it is a reflection of your own words. Because in the first comment here, you have used the word "almost", too. So you also are aware that this does not fully cover the flag reason, but it is only al explanation as to why this post should not get deleted. But you can't use this against the flag reason per se. Never ever, because you will always find something that counters a flag for images that aren't drawn lazily with MS-Paint (or something like this).
It can also make it look weird, badly proportioned and out of place. It's not a black and white or objective matter, just because it's a combination of those two tags doesn't excuse it from being seen as poor quality or flagged for a check.
No, tag combinations don't make posts immune to flags. But as long they're present and fit with the context of the picture, I'm going to continue using these as long as flag reasons don't seem to want to take either of the two into account. Which is why you still get responses like this on post #2729937:
cd_young said:
YOU CAN SEE HER FUCKING LEG WARMERS.
From frustrated users that see posts flagged in this fashion. As much as you'd like to pretend otherwise instead of dealing with people that want to contest, flagging was never some one-way trip where others couldn't dispute flags while giving reasons why posts should remain or point out why they believe the flag is wrong.
Maybe it looks good to you, it doesn't to the person who flagged it - and you're not any more right than they are.
Yes, that's how opinions work. You're not making a revelation by saying this.
As much as you'd like to pretend otherwise instead of dealing with people that want to contest, flagging was never some one-way trip where others couldn't dispute flags while giving reasons why posts should remain or point out why they believe the flag is wrong.
At no point did I say any of these things. You may keep on putting words in my mouth if you'd like, but don't expect a serious rebuttal from me in that case.
Apollyon said:
Yes, that's how opinions work. You're not making a revelation by saying this.
Good that we're on the same page, but you should practice what you preach then, instead of speaking like you have some superior understanding of artworks because /to you/ it doesn't look weird. And before I get accused of putting words in your mouth: "people seem to actually get [...] tend to make things look bigger" certainly implies that much.
It was never said that the uploader or others can not dispute a flag. But they should remain civil and the user you have quoted has broken this guideline multiple times and @OOZ662 gave them a negative feedback eventually. This is both written in howto:flag and also in howto:comment.
"Almost constantly"? You're not even certain about that, are you? Considering many posts like this are still standing, it seems that less people find posts like less of a problem than you or this flagger are attempting to make them out to be. Or that people seem to actually get how a few elements (bent_over + huge_ass) tend to make things look bigger and don't have to be pointed out why in the comments or appeals. Which I've already done with your flags at least twice before on post #2709690 and post #2712601, two posts that were also reapproved.
If it's a matter of personal taste, many that don't like posts like these seem to simply avoid them and move along. But this had to come with a flag reason of "Her waist-hip ratio does not look good", which is vague enough to be refuted by basic things that already make sense within the context of the picture.
And since you're trying to talk about surprise: Why are you or anyone else still surprised at this point that anyone can argue against a flag just as much as you can flag a post?
Yes, and there's almost constantly several dozen images being flagged for "sample" or 11-year-old "bad screencap" images, as well. Somehow, in spite of someone almost constantly flagging those images, there are a lot of them still standing, almost as if it takes a relatively small number of people who are doing this sort of thing in their free time a really long time to get through all the flaggable images, especially when also having to manage the new ones, and that means they're not going to be putting down flags with absolute clockwork precision. It's almost as if this is the exact reason "there are other images that are worse" is explicitly refuted as an excuse.
Likewise, as previously mentioned, just having a tag for something doesn't somehow act as a magical shield from scrutiny. As I've said before, guro is a tag that even explicitly states in its description that just because the tag exists doesn't mean any and all guro is allowed on the site. For that matter, if the fact that a tag exists somehow wards away all judgement of quality, I could just create a "shit_art" tag and post all the shit art I wanted, and nobody could stop me! Likewise, just saying that "she's bending over" or "it's an art style" doesn't mean that wildly disproportionate bodies, broken spines, ludicrously huge breasts, or other monstrosities are somehow above question. Stick figure MS Paint doodles are an "art style".
The same can be said of this being "a matter of personal taste". What's on your hard drive can fully be a matter of personal taste, but the whole approver and flagging system exists on Danbooru specifically because just one person's personal taste doesn't stand unquestioned, here. (Otherwise, we'd be flooded in self-uploaders who think their MSPaint scribbles are masterpieces, because, hey, that's a matter of their taste.) Considering the 5 "poor quality" votes (and counting), your personal taste is in the minority.
And the matter of your taste is that there is reason to question it. Just glancing at your uploads, a significant proportion of your uploads could stand to be flagged for these same reasons that keep coming up over and over again because of your apparent personal taste being Rob Liefeldian. It's just that most people don't have the time to both watch the mod queue AND oversee the personal upload history of the problematic unlimited uploads users all in an unpaid hobby gig in someone's free time. It's almost as if allowing people to skip the mod queue creates some glaring hole that allows certain people to post literally anything faster than janitors can clean up after them if they're dead-set on doing so.
So far as being surprised goes, the only thing I find surprising is that you remain so surprised that you're not completely above reproach, or that YOUR personal taste doesn't completely override everyone else's. You KNOW this stuff keeps getting flagged, you KNOW that a lot of what you're posting is low-quality, broken anatomy art, and you KNOW that you're a significant purveyor of what doesn't get stopped in the mod queue, solely because you can exploit your unlimited uploads status to make it too difficult to catch everything.
At no point did I say any of these things. You may keep on putting words in my mouth if you'd like, but don't expect a serious rebuttal from me in that case.
I'm not saying you did, but you brought up the flag reason again as if it's well-defined or some one-way opinion that someone can't find issue with themselves. He mentioned the waist-hip ratio, and I pointed out (not in the most elegant way, I'll admit) why it looks as such. That's why I'm focusing on that.
I get that you don't like when respond to flags with angry responses. I've spoken personally with cd_young about his responses to flags and advised him not to do that. He's shown he can be reasonable, even when disputing flags.
But then I pointed out that response he made on that post recently. Because I'm saying that people can't pretend responses like his and even mine don't happen or that flagging got complaints at all unless people were frustrated at seeing such flag reasons over and over again. Which definitely was the case from what I saw.
Good that we're on the same page, but you should practice what you preach then, instead of speaking like you have some superior understanding of artworks because /to you/ it doesn't look weird. And before I get accused of putting words in your mouth: "people seem to actually get [...] tend to make things look bigger" certainly implies that much.
Also, you can chill with the tone, thanks.
This is not a show of superior art understanding, and I'm not going to pretend to even claim to have that. But I am going to speak up if I don't agree with a flag on something I posted.
And my tone with you was terse because it was already assumed that this is opinions. I'm not going to start off everything with "IMO", because I assumed that people already got that. I don't want to do that.
So far as being surprised goes, the only thing I find surprising is that you remain so surprised that you're not completely above reproach, or that YOUR personal taste doesn't completely override everyone else's. You KNOW this stuff keeps getting flagged, you KNOW that a lot of what you're posting is low-quality, broken anatomy art, and you KNOW that you're the single largest purveyor of what doesn't get stopped in the mod queue, solely because you can exploit your unlimited uploads status to make it too difficult to catch everything.
Problem with you assuming that I think I'm above reproach is, there's current and past flags on my posts I didn't even dispute at all and resigned that while I liked the post personally, I'd let the flag stand because I see the reason as valid or that it's actually stated well. This isn't one of those times.
The other problem with you assuming that I'm:
the single largest purveyor of what doesn't get stopped in the mod queue, solely because you can exploit your unlimited uploads status to make it too difficult to catch everything
Is that you assume that things like this are all I ever post. You're wrong. In your own eyes, that might be the case. I know my own uploads enough to know that I do mix things up, even if you're not willing to acknowledge that from my posts you've flagged, or any posts you chose to focus on. I'm not going to be an uploader that succeeds in catering to as many individual sets of users as possible and their tastes on the site per upload. No one should. I've long since grown past that point.
But now that I know what you personally think of me and what you'll focus on regardless of what I say here, know that I'm especially not going to focus on your standards in particular when I post. I can't win with you, so I'm not going to try.
In any case, this discussion hasn't gone anywhere. I'll accept responsibility for that, because I even made a comment in the first place. No one wants really to sit and post walls of text that most users are going to ignore anyway. Feel free to argue here. I'm done.