I mean yeah, sure she can melee but her guns are just inert metal objects to be swung as a weapon, shes no longer on an elevated playing field compared to the world shes in.
I mean yeah, sure she can melee but her guns are just inert metal objects to be swung as a weapon, shes no longer on an elevated playing field compared to the world shes in.
I mean yeah, sure she can melee but her guns are just inert metal objects to be swung as a weapon, shes no longer on an elevated playing field compared to the world shes in.
If she can tank things like canon fire and not go splat then she can tank anything they throw at her until she gets in close and starts beating the live out of them with her big guns
If she can tank things like canon fire and not go splat then she can tank anything they throw at her until she gets in close and starts beating the live out of them with her big guns
Anything physical, sure for a while. I assume magic is a thing though and anything that's not pure physical force is unaccounted for.
Anything physical, sure for a while. I assume magic is a thing though and anything that's not pure physical force is unaccounted for.
Isekai seems to only exist either for wish fulfillment overpowered harem protags that get more superpowers the more they were a NEET that played MMOs all day or for some form of deconstruction where they get to watch all their new friends get horribly murdered and get tortured repeatedly.
Hence, Ise better hope she sees some shirtless oiled-up elf boys instead of elf girls soon or proudly announce she swings both ways, because if she's not going the Otome harem route or yuri harem, things are going to suck.
If she DOES get super harem powers, however, any weaknesses will be largely ignored, and she can solve basically every situation by just shouting angrily and finding even MORE hidden untapped potential every single fight like Ichigo does. Also, any fuel problems will likely be solved by just finding some token loli/shota harem member who can magically refuel gasoline with some uncomfortably obvious metaphor for sex. (Or just squeeze it out of pineapples because it's a magic world and they don't gotta explain shit.)
I truly do want to see a ship girl dominate a fantasy world.
boomersooner said:
Well, Ise should be alright...until she runs out of Ammo and Fuel. Then she's in trouble.
You_Will_Fear_my_Laser_Nipples said:
If she can tank things like canon fire and not go splat then she can tank anything they throw at her until she gets in close and starts beating the live out of them with her big guns
Two words. Rust. Monster.
NWSiaCB said:
Isekai seems to only exist either for wish fulfillment overpowered harem protags that get more superpowers the more they were a NEET that played MMOs all day or for some form of deconstruction where they get to watch all their new friends get horribly murdered and get tortured repeatedly.
Hence, Ise better hope she sees some shirtless oiled-up elf boys instead of elf girls soon or proudly announce she swings both ways, because if she's not going the Otome harem route or yuri harem, things are going to suck.
If she DOES get super harem powers, however, any weaknesses will be largely ignored, and she can solve basically every situation by just shouting angrily and finding even MORE hidden untapped potential every single fight like Ichigo does. Also, any fuel problems will likely be solved by just finding some token loli/shota harem member who can magically refuel gasoline with some uncomfortably obvious metaphor for sex. (Or just squeeze it out of pineapples because it's a magic world and they don't gotta explain shit.)
Yeah, the average isekai WN/LN right now is worse than Twilight and 50 Shades, or anything Alan Dean Foster craps out. Mary Sues (and attendant Superman problem) and ethical considerations aside, a lot of them have a tendency to ram in game mechanics in an otherwise 'physical world' setting without any whit of explanation or justification (as opposed to, say, Konosuba's satrical parody, Danmachi's Goddidit, or VRMMOs where they do make some sense), breaking suspension of belief even further.
Which is a shame, really, considering that the genre has produced some pretty good works in the past, like 12 Kingdoms and Ima, Soko ni Iru Boku (okay, this one's an anime, but it's pretty much isekai Grave of the Fireflies). Heck, even Zero no Tsukaima had valid world-building, even if it's a harem series (and did the whole isekai Japanese youth protag with a cheat ability shtick before they were even a thing).
Those are still vulnerable to arrows, so Ise's fine as long as she can shell from range. (The monster has to actually touch and gradually corrode the metal, so even if it manages to touch cannon shells midair, it'll only be for a tiny fraction of a second, and they are going to still make ludicrous gibs.) Also, since that's a potentially story-ending threat, it's vastly less likely to actually happen or work if it does happen. (Provided they can't magic a new rigging as soon as about 5 minutes of "oh no, all is lost" such that the drama never happened.) You're much more likely to find just a slime that only eats clothes.
NNescio said:
Yeah, the average isekai WN/LN right now is worse than Twilight and 50 Shades, or anything Alan Dean Foster craps out. Mary Sues (and attendent Superman problem) and ethical considerations aside, a lot of them have a tendency to ram in game mechanics in an otherwise 'physical world' setting without any whit of explanation or justification (as opposed to, say, Konosuba's satrical take, Danmachi's Goddidit, or VRMMOs where they do make some sense), breaking suspension of belief even further.
Amusingly, that's pretty much literally what 50 Shades was - it started as online Twilight fan fiction with vampirism replaced with ludicrous wealth and very pointed abstinence (from a Mormon) being replaced with what the fanficcer thought BDSM was like which someone decided to give new names to make "original characters" and sell as actual books. For the corporate execs that signed that contract and din't have to actually edit anything, they made millions of dollars for basically publishing an already mostly-finished product that already had a fanbase with near-zero risk, so seems like that was a well-placed wager on their part.
Also, looking at digital distributors, depending on where you go, literally half of the light novels in some retailers will be Isekai works. (In fact a link in that article you link directly says some publishers have to make rules banning Isekai and teen heroes to publish for a wider audience because they're down to coming up with the most ridiculous twists they can possibly imagine on a Isekai premise to make new ones - such as "That Time I Was Reincarnated as a Slime" (actually pretty good), "Reborn as a Vending Machine, I Now Wander the Dungeon", "So I'm a Spider, So What?!" (also actually amusing), or "Mixed Bathing in Another Dimension" - which is a DEFINITE sign of a bubble about to burst... Also, so is when people make fake PSAs for how to survive the 'epidemic' of people being reborn in other worlds after being killed by a truck BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS A TRUCK.)
Those are still vulnerable to arrows, so Ise's fine as long as she can shell from range. (The monster has to actually touch and gradually corrode the metal, so even if it manages to touch cannon shells midair, it'll only be for a tiny fraction of a second, and they are going to still make ludicrous gibs.)
A Xorn then? (AKA rust monster's big brother). That one can glide through the ground.
I'm guilty of this as a DM (deliberately not siccing monsters with special abilities that can't be dealt with or mitigated by the party, fudging encounter lists and preplaced enemies if neccessary). Unless they act like obtuse Leeroy Jenkins and ignore all the signposted hints and plot hooks. And overt warnings ("Are you sure?")
(I also pull my punches when GMing Paranoia or CoC, 'though I try to be more subtle about it.)
Curiously, this is usually what happens to newbie players in my campaigns when they encounter slimes (DnD slimes, called oozes, tend to deal damage to weapons and/or armor), as they inevitably will try to solo them due to preconceived bias (as slimes are fodder-tier mooks in most JRPGs). Even worse, using the wrong kind of weapon (or spell) against slimes will cause them to split into smaller slimes, leading to them being mobbed.
Of course, this should result in death, but since I tend to pull my punches (especially with new players) they usually end up with badly corroded gear instead (can't exactly let them get off completely consequence free). So, yeah, their clothes got eaten. I mean, sure, they'd also take a bunch of HP damage in the process, but that's always healable due to how HP works.
A Xorn then? (AKA rust monster's big brother). That one can glide through the ground.
Xorns are one of those things where its threat is directly proportional to how much the DM hates their players. Their earth glide ability is basically total bullshit and amounts to invincibility unless they actively choose to lose it or the players have an extremely specific counter they are almost never going to have on hand unless it is PRECISELY to stop a xorn (after meeting one and getting paranoid - it's not Lupus) or they're a particularly MacGuyverish bunch that stocks up on utility spells and generally play like Mr. Welch (AKA the cool wizards).
If you feel particularly spiteful, make xorns with adventurer levels. 'Sup bitch, I'm a wizard that can blast from range (or if particularly vicious while still underground) and reposition without giving you a chance to do anything about it!
Granted, considering how MASSIVELY unsatisfying that would be, in an anime, if something like a xorn were to appear, expect it to happen exactly once, it be the total bullshit "casts magic from inside the earth" variety, and then Ise and/or Nagato or Musashi (if they are around) will stop that BS by literally lifting a massive chunk of earth out of the ground and pulverizing it bare-handed. Xorns would thereafter never appear again to in any way try the same trick over with some kind of new strategy to counter to that counter, because as soon as anything fails once, nobody ever tries to refine a decent idea with a minor flaw.
Incidentally, xorns don't corrode metal, they straight-up eat it regularly through a normal mouth (well, as normal as a three-faced, three-armed pyramid thing can be) sitting on top of their body, which means it's have to start actually gnawing Ise to death.
Yeah, the average isekai WN/LN right now is worse than Twilight and 50 Shades, or anything Alan Dean Foster craps out. Mary Sues (and attendant Superman problem) and ethical considerations aside, a lot of them have a tendency to ram in game mechanics in an otherwise 'physical world' setting without any whit of explanation or justification (as opposed to, say, Konosuba's satrical parody, Danmachi's Goddidit, or VRMMOs where they do make some sense), breaking suspension of belief even further.
Which is a shame, really, considering that the genre has produced some pretty good works in the past, like 12 Kingdoms and Ima, Soko ni Iru Boku (okay, this one's an anime, but it's pretty much isekai Grave of the Fireflies). Heck, even Zero no Tsukaima had valid world-building, even if it's a harem series (and did the whole isekai Japanese youth protag with a cheat ability shtick before they were even a thing).
Mhm. Thank god for Faraway Paladin, lookin' out for all us sinners.