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So I just fixed all the shiranui_mai posts...

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Can people who upload characters that belong to a series (which is most of them, strangely) please put at the very least the character name AND series. I added king_of_fighters and snk to every one missing them except for a few where I just put one or the other.

There were also 4 doujin pages in shiranui_mai that contained Chun Li and some random guy, Mai no where to be found. Before you tag something, can you at least look it up via other posts with the same tag?

Not including the series (or company in the case of video games) can be very annoying for people like me who want to just browse SNK or King of Fighters and then realise that only half the Mai pictures are in those categories.

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You say this like it's a strange occurance, I went through higurashi and a few other tags a couple months back and tagged every character on every image, about half of the images were missing half the characters. People are lazy.

Occasionally I can do character -series and get hits no matter how often I do it.

I have previously suggested populating the DB with character → series implications, but for reasons I don't fully grasp people seemed to be against it. I still think it'd be a good idea, as no-one's really came up with a convincing example where the system would fail.

Honestly, I don't come across many posts at all where a character is tagged but not a series. It's just not common. Certainly not enough to warrant all those aliases. Especially since there's no foolproof way to automate that process.
Older posts are more prone to it, sure not so much newer ones in my experience.

As for where it would fail, there are a few situations, such one character in multiple seasons or alternate universes (Takamachi Nanoha and that series in general, Yoshino Sakura from Da Capo, etc). Or where different characters from different series are all known only by a single name.

It's not that the idea is terrible, but rather just doesn't seem necessary, really.

葉月 said:
I have previously suggested populating the DB with character → series implications, but for reasons I don't fully grasp people seemed to be against it. I still think it'd be a good idea, as no-one's really came up with a convincing example where the system would fail.

Probably with this it will get well-seen by more people?
http://trac.donmai.us/ticket/58

I don't think it's a bad idea either.

When I do a character -copyright search it is at most one page for any particular character unless they're affiliated with multiple copyrights, in which case there might be a couple pages at most. This doesn't mean making implications is a good idea when they can all be tagged in about 7 seconds with a tag script.

Maybe there could be a report thread of some kind where we (as mods) can perform mass-tag edits of this kind of thing in minutes, instead of users having to spend a lot more time doing it.

Back when those character->copy implications were proposed, I remember having some objection to it. But now, I can't remember what it was at all. Seems I didn't feel strongly enough to post in that thread either, so I guess it wasn't a big deal.

Again, with tag scripts it's extremely easy to fix. People can certainly feel free to ask a mod to mass edit, but any normal user can literally change a hundred+ posts in like a minute and a half.

And it's probably better to do it manually anyway, as you're more likely to note any special cases where adding the tag could be wrong.

Nice to know some other people have the same gripes. I'm not suggesting it's strange, or extremely prevalent either, just that it's an annoyance. I'm also wondering how someone could think Chun Li is Mai. Seriously.

jxh2154 said:
As for where it would fail, there are a few situations, such one character in multiple seasons or alternate universes (Takamachi Nanoha and that series in general, Yoshino Sakura from Da Capo, etc). Or where different characters from different series are all known only by a single name.

So? We don't have to add implications in such cases. It's not like it's either-or, I just don't understand the objection to adding *any* implications on the grounds that *some* could be wrong.

I think my objection was similar to albert's reaction:

albert said:
One issue I have is that once we start setting these up, people will grow an expectation that they only have to tag the character and not the copyright, even if an implication might not be set up. I'd rather people not have that sort of expectation.

But the more I think about it, the less sense that makes to me. I mean, it's not like people actually add the tag upon seeing it's not there, as this shiranui_mai example demonstrates.

葉月 said: So? We don't have to add implications in such cases. It's not like it's either-or, I just don't understand the objection to adding *any* implications on the grounds that *some* could be wrong.

You asked for examples/reasons, I gave em.

Are there specific ones you have in mind? What would be the deciding factor in what makes some worth doing over others?

duelle said:
I added king_of_fighters and snk to every one[...]
Not including the series (or company in the case of video games) can be very annoying for people like me who want to just browse SNK or King of Fighters and then realise that only half the Mai pictures are in those categories.

I've been tagging Capcom art wth the Capcom tag only if that piece was done by Capcom staff, ie, only for official art. So doujin work and fanart isn't tagged Capcom. Maybe we should talk about whether that's the correct practice, or this (always tag source company/artist even if they had nothing to do with the pic). I think being able to search a company or artist and only see their output is more important, especially when there are already series tags to do the other...

jxh2154 said:
You asked for examples/reasons, I gave em.

But you're still dismissing the idea completely because there are a few cases where it wouldn't work well. I haven't seen an example which support the "we can't have implications at all" argument I'm seeing here.

Are there specific ones you have in mind? What would be the deciding factor in what makes some worth doing over others?

Easy. No specific reasons not to == add implications. And even in multi-season series it's not a problem, we already imply the base series in such cases anyway, so character implications would change nothing.

As for specific examples, F/SN. I've seen untagged pictures of it with only characters, presumably because the name is a bit unwieldy to type. And it were in fact F/SN implications that were rejected that prompted me to open the original thread.

葉月 said: But you're still dismissing the idea completely because there are a few cases where it wouldn't work well.

I'm dismissing the idea because I don't think it's necessary. And my other question was not "why do it at all" it was "what characters would you do it for and what wouldn't you, and how would you decide?"

Because we certainly can't do it for every character in the database, simply because the list would be incredibly massive, putting aside the ambiguous cases where an implication isn't appropriate. So just the popular ones? Just the ones who are commonly tagged without series? What would be the method?

At any rate I think it's completely unnecessary but I suppose I don't care either way what is decided, it won't change how I tag. And if you want to make extra work for yourself and add the implications, I have no reason to stop you =P

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