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I'm thinking maybe we should turn pool #490 into a tag. Mystia's_Japanese_grill clothes are visually distinctive and recognizable, comparable with inu_Sakuya tag.
Plus it'd be nicer to upload/search for images with a tag rather than putting pool:490 in the query each time.
So shall we go with it? If yes, is there any better tag for it?
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Probably not, pool:490 tasuki is only 4 of the 15 pages, I can't be sure if it's lack of tagging or inappropriate but I have a feeling it's the latter.
If it were just for her clothes then maybe, but what about images where her grill is depicted, but Mystia isn't around? (post #669971 for instance).
Good point, that's why I proposed mystia's_japanese_grill too, so it could cover both the clothes and explicit references to the stand.
So, sometimes it's the clothes and not the grill and sometimes it's the grill and not the clothes, and sometimes it's neither the grill nor the clothes (post #787385).
This really seems like a pool fits it better than a tag.
And how is searching pool:490 any harder than searching mystia's_japanese_grill?
It's not instinctual, whenever I want to search or upload an image for that pool I have to search for the pool to see its number again.
And since this is a tag-able concept, why do we have to use pool anyway? It's not nice for searching, and there's no arrangement criteria needed.
You can also do pool:Touhou_-_Mystia_Lorelei's_Japanese_Grill.
But with pools you can't do negated searches (e.g. mystia_lorelei -pool:Touhou_-_Mystia_Lorelei's_Japanese_Grill doesn't work), you can't make aliases or implications, and they can't be blacklisted. This is why tags should be preferred unless it absolutely needs to be a pool.
Chiming in since I created that pool. My original intent was to distinguish between Mystia dressed as in post #376471 vs other generic mystia_lorelei japanese_clothes, but the tables have kind of turned with how popular it's turned out -- now it's become harder to find Mystia in other japanese_clothes instead, since pools don't do negated search, as evazion points out.
There is a problem with how the pool is not strictly defined (my bad), plus I gave up policing it, so it now contains a mix of:
As well as posts referencing only the location which I would not consider part of the pool if I were still trying to maintain it.
If we are going to convert this pool to tag(s) I would prefer to see the outfit and the stand being tagged separately. Makes for much cleaner searching if you want strictly this outfit (and not, say, food stand but canon outfit).
Pixiv has a rather witty tag 「おかみすちー」 which I would propose using for the outfit, similar to inu_sakuya. Unfortunately it is rather tacky when romanized okamisuchii? okamisty?
As for the stall, it was brought up in forum #43277 but not much discussion took place. Apparently, grill is also in use.
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How's about treating this matter as a meme? After all, these images are other artists' playing along with torinone's designs.
As such view, any post with reference to this meme will get a general tag - okamisty for example.
The advantages of this consensus tag is that the pool will not be sacrificed, just get converted to a tag. If someone want to specifically find pictures of Mystia in that outfit: okamisty japanese_clothes. Pictures of Mystia running the store with or without her visual presence: okamisty food_stand or okamisty grill, can do -japanese_clothes in the search too to cross out her presence.
With this, post #787385 as jjj14 pointed out can be tagged with okamisty and searched by combining with food, or skewer.
I agree okamisty sounds nice, it's short, and in sync with pixiv tag.
Isn't pool #1174 (Touhou - Tag Dream Tribute) in pretty much the same situation? It looks rather copyright-y to me, really.
I don't think putting copyright situation here is right, because then all those pics would have to be tagged parody - since they are not "originally" from the first artist.
However I look at it, it's the same as yukkuri_shiteitte_ne.
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If we're looking for precedent, I personally still think this case is closest to a "character variant" along the lines of inu sakuya. I don't feel that it is appropriate to treat it as a meme or parody or copyright.
One observation: the pool has evolved into quite the free-for-all that means different things to different people, so rather than a one-off change, it may be less disruptive if we start by phasing in better tagging, do some tag gardening, and finally phase out the pool when the new tags are well established.
Until now seems like everyone agree to turn this pool to a tag.
If there's no objection, I'm going ahead to tag only images of Mystia in this outfit with okamisty. Images without her presence can be covered by grill, food_stand, yatai, skewer, or food. I just realize it's true not to include everything in a same tag - Mystia has a grilled lamprey stand is canon, not necessarily spawned from toritone's idea.
Pool description will be moved to wiki, and replaced with a mention about the new tag. As r0d3n7z suggested, let's give it a week for people to notice, then we will nuke the pool.
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