They're different. post #632413 has no time paradox but features two different personas.
Stealth edit: post #571652 is a better example.
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According to the wiki definitions, dual_persona is a type of time_paradox.
Updated by jxh2154
They're different. post #632413 has no time paradox but features two different personas.
Stealth edit: post #571652 is a better example.
I see, you're right.
The wikis probably need to be more clear though, I know I'm not the only one confused (I started this thread after I noticed post #639508 was tagged only with dual_persona)
Dual persona is for where a character is duplicated usually with some aspect changed (such as attitude / personality). Time paradox is usually for the same character twice in a scene, each with different ages.
Would a dual_persona count as a time_paradox for an alternate_form that's not particularly in-setting but obviously not an introspective deal, such as Tina and her trance?
I think that tag should have been tina_branford_(esper). The Trance system wasn't created until 3 games later in the series.
...Now that that's out of the way, yes, I think it probably would count.
T5J8F8 said:
Would a dual_persona count as a time_paradox for an alternate_form that's not particularly in-setting but obviously not an introspective deal, such as Tina and her trance?
Didn't know there was an alternate_form tag. How is it defined exactly?
Just curious because although you mentioned it for Terra in her esper form, there hardly seem to be any pics of her tagged with that.
As seen in this video (you may need to pause and click around the 21 second mark to get Tina's menu), トランス ("Trance") is there on the left. Since we're using Japanese names for FF characters (at least in the well-known cases, so far), "Trance" would be used here. Further, what we know as "espers" are known there generically as "phantom beasts", whatever the Japanese is for that possible translation (can't seem to google it to me). The naming structure is based on FFIX's "Trance Kuja".
Buuuuuut, that's rather off-topic.
T5J8F8 said:
Would a dual_persona count as a time_paradox for an alternate_form that's not particularly in-setting but obviously not an introspective deal, such as Tina and her trance?
I'm not particularly familiar with FFVI, but I wouldn't say that being introspective is necessary or even common with dual_persona, usually it's just two variants of the same character in the same scene.
Fred1515 said:
Didn't know there was an alternate_form tag. How is it defined exactly?
I've generally used it for character differences that aren't palette swaps or costume changes that don't have their own tags (so I've generally passed on Trance Tina, but have tagged the Emperor and Sephiroth, I think; it was Bizarro Sephiroth that got the treatment first, IIRC).
Shinjidude said:
I'm not particularly familiar with FFVI, but I wouldn't say that being introspective is necessary or even common with dual_persona, usually it's just two variants of the same character in the same scene.
When I say "introspective", I'm mostly thinking reflections, since there aren't many ways to visually identify that someone is conferring with or contemplating their "other self" while in a given state. I wouldn't tag time paradox on a pic showcasing both selves, but may do so if it's an establish scene or setting of the source material with both the beings there at one time (unless that character splits in two in-canon or something).
...I guess?
T5J8F8 said:
As seen in this video (you may need to pause and click around the 21 second mark to get Tina's menu), トランス ("Trance") is there on the left.
I have my suspicions that it's merely a shortening of トランスフォーム (transform) due to the four-character limit. (Note how none of the other commands, items, and character names are more than four characters long either.)
However, this may also raise the issue of a possible mistranslation of the same in FFIX.
Shinjidude said:
Dual persona is for where a character is duplicated usually with some aspect changed (such as attitude / personality). Time paradox is usually for the same character twice in a scene, each with different ages.
Wait, doesn't that mean that there should be an implication in the other direction -- Time paradox -> Dual persona?
Or does a difference in ages not count as the kinds of aspect-changes necessary for 'dual persona'?
Time_paradox has been (rightly) used to tag images such as yakumo_ran caring for baby yakumo_yukari. The implication would be invalid, so definitely no.
Fencedude said:
Time Paradox does, plausibly, implicate Dual Persona. I'm not 100% behind it, but it is a viable argument.
No, no, no. post #30900, post #549539, and post #328098 are time_paradox but definitely not dual_persona.
jjj14 said:
No, no, no. post #30900, post #549539, and post #328098 are time_paradox but definitely not dual_persona.
post #637943 as well.
I do think all time_paradox pictures that show the same character at different ages should have dual_persona or multiple_persona too, though.
EB said:
I do think all time_paradox pictures that show the same character at different ages should have dual_persona or multiple_persona too, though.
EB said:
post #637943 as well.I do think all time_paradox pictures that show the same character at different ages should have dual_persona or multiple_persona too, though.
Probably, but it has to be done manually, yes. so not implication.