BUR #39652 is pending approval.
create implication yumenokessho -> bang_dream!
It's a voice synthesizer using voices from BanG Dream! characters, so it should imply it too.
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BUR #39652 is pending approval.
create implication yumenokessho -> bang_dream!
It's a voice synthesizer using voices from BanG Dream! characters, so it should imply it too.
BUR #39653 is pending approval.
create implication aver_(yumenokessho) -> doloris_(bang_dream!)
create implication halo_(yumenokessho) -> tsurumaki_kokoro
create implication pastel_(yumenokessho) -> maruyama_aya
create implication popy_(yumenokessho) -> toyama_kasumi
create implication rose_(yumenokessho) -> minato_yukina
Following the copyright, the characters are also derivatives/variants/alters/whatever you want to call it of the base character, as such I see no value in not tagging the BanG Dream! character when the Yumenokessho is present. AVER implies Doloris because it's derived from that specfific outfit.
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We don't usually imply voice synth counterparts to their original characters, even when they're very similar (e.g. KAFU, kzn). Vocal synth fanart like post #8834702 wouldn't be very relevant to a minato yukina search, for instance.
feline_lump said:
We don't usually imply voice synth counterparts to their original characters, even when they're very similar (e.g. KAFU, kzn). Vocal synth fanart like post #8834702 wouldn't be very relevant to a minato yukina search, for instance.
I disagree here, that's very much a post that is relevant to a Minato Yukina search. Not only does it just look like her in a different coat, the cat ears/tail/girl and blue rose further solidify that that is in fact her. Some characters from other copyrights being present doesn't suddenly make it not relevant.
Do you have a thread were that lack of implications was decided? Though even then, the Bandori designs appear to be doing their own thing to some extent, so I don't think it's a very good reason.
ANON_TOKYO said:
I disagree here, that's very much a post that is relevant to a Minato Yukina search. Not only does it just look like her in a different coat, the cat ears/tail/girl and blue rose further solidify that that is in fact her. Some characters from other copyrights being present doesn't suddenly make it not relevant.
This is probably unclear from the copytag bloat (related discussion in topic #31262), but this is essentially just Synthesizer V fanart. What I'm trying to get at is that these characters aren't just separate for lore reasons, they're meant to be integrated into a different established franchise, so they are preempting the fact that some people will ignore the original branch of Bandori and treat them as vocal synth characters instead.
A better illustration of this is the range of ROSE's appearance in songs: sometimes it's ROSE's canon design, sometimes it's actually Minato Yukina, or sometimes it's ROSE with enough design changes that there's a Ship of Theseus relationship with Yukina.
ANON_TOKYO said:
Do you have a thread were that lack of implications was decided?
There hasn't been a debate against it until now, AFAIK, since Kamitsubaki Studio treats their own character lines as strictly different. Most "legally distinct counterpart" voicebanks are inspired by theirs.
feline_lump said:
This is probably unclear from the copytag bloat (related discussion in topic #31262), but this is essentially just Synthesizer V fanart. What I'm trying to get at is that these characters aren't just separate for lore reasons, they're meant to be integrated into a different established franchise, so they are preempting the fact that some people will ignore the original branch of Bandori and treat them as vocal synth characters instead.
A better illustration of this is the range of ROSE's appearance in songs: sometimes it's ROSE's canon design, sometimes it's actually Minato Yukina, or sometimes it's ROSE with enough design changes that there's a Ship of Theseus relationship with Yukina.
There hasn't been a debate against it until now, AFAIK, since Kamitsubaki Studio treats their own character lines as strictly different. Most "legally distinct counterpart" voicebanks are inspired by theirs.
For the record, I am purely arguing regarding the BanG Dream! ones, since those are the only ones I know anything about.
That said, I don't think it's relevant at all what franchise they belong to, they are clearly and explicitly derived from the base character (as in, the original characters are named and everything). That doesn't make them costumes, but alter characters get implied too, and I'd say that description applies pretty well here. The Yumenokessho designs are all also still very clearly the base character, the design differences that are there don't change that.
ANON_TOKYO said:
The Yumenokessho designs are all also still very clearly the base character, the design differences that are there don't change that.
To be clear, are we extending that to designs like this? This is the kind of thing I'd consider most clearly as an artist ignoring the base character to make a vocal synth song design. It's fine if this level of change isn't an issue.
feline_lump said:
To be clear, are we extending that to designs like this? This is the kind of thing I'd consider most clearly as an artist ignoring the base character to make a vocal synth song design. It's fine if this level of change isn't an issue.
If this is the types of designs you were talking about, I now understand where the confusion came from. I wouldn't expect to find this under a search for ROSE, since it's basically just a Yumenokessho OC, and should be tagged as such. Tagging this with ROSE would turn it more into a copytag than a chartag, and we'd end up with a situation like what Ado used to be, where a bunch of completely different characters whose only connection is the voice fall under the same chartag, except all alternate designs are fan designs as well.