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Overzealous Loli Tagging for Eureka

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It seems that someone or multiple someones have been going through the images of Eureka from Eureka 7, tagging many of them as loli. I noticed this when "Come Together", a Eureka 7 doujin I had uploaded, was suddenly missing over half of its pages.

The definition of loli, according to Danbooru, is someone who appears preadolescent. I can't speak for the other pictures that were tagged as loli (because I can't see them), but in "Come Together" Eureka has small breasts and pubic hair. From my perspective, that essentially guarantees that the character is in or past adolescence.

If I'm told by one of the people in charge of Danbooru that these pictures do qualify for the loli tag, that's fine. However, right now it looks to me like someone is going a bit loli-crazy, and tagging images that do not deserve it with the loli tag.

In either case, thanks for your consideration.

Updated by 葉月

I'd agree with this. Eureka is canonically ≥ 14 to match Renton in the series. While her character is designed to be slim, I wouldn't say she's typically short/flat enough to qualify as loli in most depictions. There is a difference between a flat teen and loli.

It'd help to link to that doujin. But it's true that our tagging of loli leaves a lot to be desired, on both sides: we have loads of blatant paedo stuff not tagged as such, and conversely we have characters which definitely don't look childish consistently tagged as loli. So, yeah, if you find something you don't think is loli, it's fine to submit it (for instance in this thread) for consideration.

I don't mean to be a pain, but I still see 4 pages of invisible pictures when I search for eureka+loli

Granted, some of that may involve the actual children from the show. However, I'm willing to bet most of it isn't loli at all.

One last, tangentially related question. If I had a privileged account, would that enable me to remove the loli tag from mistagged posts?

葉月 said:
Eww, the quality is awful. But it's definitely not loli.

Aw.

I agree the quality is somewhat subpar, but I liked the doujin enough in terms of the way it portrayed the characters that I uploaded it anyway. I like hentai that keeps characters I like in character, and this seemed to do a pretty good job, despite my lack of understanding of Japanese. Maybe if I knew what they were saying, I'd feel differently.

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honeybunch said:
I don't mean to be a pain, but I still see 4 pages of invisible pictures when I search for http://danbooru.donmai.us/post?tags=eureka+loli&commit=Search

Granted, some of that may involve the actual children from the show. However, I'm willing to bet most of it isn't loli at all.

3 of those four pages are blank. The only remaining picture is a very borderline Eureka that I would probably consider loli. Sometimes blank pages like that remain for some time after alot of tag changes - give the server time to catch up, they'll disappear.

honeybunch said:
One last, tangentially related question. If I had a privileged account, would that enable me to remove the loli tag from mistagged posts?

Yes. However, should you do this, be careful and don't be afraid to ask if you're not sure.

honeybunch said:
Aw.

I agree the quality is somewhat subpar, but I liked the doujin enough in terms of the way it portrayed the characters that I uploaded it anyway. I like hentai that keeps characters I like in character, and this seemed to do a pretty good job, despite my lack of understanding of Japanese. Maybe if I knew what they were saying, I'd feel differently.

I think he was referring to the quality of the images themselves, not the content of the doujin.

honeybunch said:
I don't mean to be a pain, but I still see 4 pages of invisible pictures when I search for eureka+loli

Ah, I meant that I removed it from that doujin. I hadn't gotten around to checking other images. As Kayako said, it looks like most of them are taken care of, either because someone removed them or it was a caching issue. The one remaining image is quite borderline and I'm apt to just leave the tag on for now, I guess. It's only one image anyway.

Alright.

Thanks a lot, guys.

Kayako said:
I think he was referring to the quality of the images themselves, not the content of the doujin.

Yeah, I got that. I was just explaining why I uploaded it in spite of the relatively low quality of the artwork.

I must apologize for my part in this. Looking back on it, it had been way too late in the evening, and I got a little too zealous with the tag scripting.

Being not a lolicon myself, perhaps I'd best ask what the defining factors are, here. The guidelines I use currently are as follows.

Does the female character featured possess at least one of the following physical characteristics:

  • breasts (note that this is relative, as some artists (according to a few lolicons I've spoken to) may draw female loli characters with at least some bust size in order to "make them look softer"; this is described as being something like leftover baby fat)
  • hips
  • pubic hair
  • physical height appropriate to an adult

If none of these criteria are met, the following checks are made. If either of these apply, then I tag it loli:

  • Is the character in question nude, or partially so? (nudity in this case including partial, i.e. nipples, anus, or vulva bared)?
  • Regardless of state of undress, is the character in question featured in some sexual situation? (e.g., even with clothes on, fellatio still qualifies)

Should I revise my standards for this? I consider them rather loose as it stands, but...

edit: Also, I should mention that I tend to go by what I can see in the thumbnail, and open images I'm not certain of for detailed evaluation (which is nearly every time). The Eureka pics, I was lazy about. However, I tend to skip doujinshi and 4koma entirely due to not being able to discern any details from the thumbnails in ~90% of the cases.

sgcdonmai said:
list of loli attributes

I generally find that people mark something as loli too quick just because a flat chest is involved. As long as the other points are followed that sounds pretty solid.

Honestly for me the hips are more an indicator than the breasts but I'm notoriously strange.

It's not so much about (the lack of) any particular features, but the general "does she look like a kid"? You can have no boobs and little in the way of hips and still be just a slim girl and not a kiddo. I'd say the most important factors are the face and the waist: if the torso is just a straight tube without much differentiation between the waist and the rest (for example, post #415713), it's got a child's proportions.

葉月 said:
It's not so much about (the lack of) any particular features, but the general "does she look like a kid"? You can have no boobs and little in the way of hips and still be just a slim girl and not a kiddo.

I see where you're coming from there, but I have to delineate those factors. If I don't, I'd be tagging a lot of things as loli, many of which others wouldn't agree with.

The list is pretty much my own, but intended to keep my tagging impulse on a leash. It's actually less of what I think of as loli, and more of a general consensus others have. Thus, why I put it up for others to comment on; I'd like to keep my own tagging principles more in line with the Danbooru community.

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