imply crocodilian_tail -> lizard_tail

BUR #6333 has been rejected.

create implication crocodilian_tail -> lizard_tail

Unless we want them to be mutually exclusive, which doesn't make much sense to me.

Crocodilian tail is unique enough to deserve its own tag. They should be mutually exclusive.

How are they different? It's like saying a shark tail is not a fish tail. Why would someone have to search for both at the same time to see all results that look like lizard tails?

A quick look at both tags is enough to see how they are different. Compare the tails in post #4666332 and post #4378323. Crocodile tails have more prominent scales and notably the crest caudal whorls that lizard tails lack.

Well, a shark is a fish, while a crocodilian isn't a lizard...

Appearance-wise, crocodilians also have bony scutes on their tails (the spiky 'plates' arranged in rows both longitudinal and transverse), while lizards don't.

For the sake of herpetological accuracy, no.

BUR #6384 has been rejected.

create implication dragon_tail -> reptile_tail
create implication lizard_tail -> reptile_tail
create implication dinosaur_tail -> reptile_tail
create implication crocodilian_tail -> reptile_tail

Alternative solution

Relating all saurian species_tail to their general look-alike.

I still can't help but notice we can't overcome nominal differences when tagging.

BUR #6385 has been approved by @evazion.

create alias salamander_tail -> lizard_tail

A salamander is a lizard-like amphibian

BUR #6386 has been rejected.

create alias crocodilian_tail -> crocodile_tail

By forum #190329 the problem this fringe naming is trying to solve shouldn't matter.

ljhkhjkghjybtvhyt said:

BUR #6384 has been rejected.

create implication dragon_tail -> reptile_tail
create implication lizard_tail -> reptile_tail
create implication dinosaur_tail -> reptile_tail
create implication crocodilian_tail -> reptile_tail

Alternative solution

Relating all saurian species_tail to their general look-alike.

I still can't help but notice we can't overcome nominal differences when tagging.

Dragon tail and dinosaur tail are problematic because some of them resemble bird tails instead. Meanwhile snake tail is missing.
(Technically birds are also dinosaurs. And reptiles. But this probably isn't what people are looking for.)

In any case, I don't really think an umbrella tag is really necessary.

ljhkhjkghjybtvhyt said:

BUR #6385 has been approved by @evazion.

create alias salamander_tail -> lizard_tail

A salamander is a lizard-like amphibian

The are some differences, though aliasing would have been kinda acceptable... if the lizard tail -> reptile tail isn't also proposed at the same time. Salamander getting tagged reptile tail by implication is just WRONG.

ljhkhjkghjybtvhyt said:

BUR #6386 has been rejected.

create alias crocodilian_tail -> crocodile_tail

By forum #190329 the problem this fringe naming is trying to solve shouldn't matter.

This proposed solution is the very opposite of the trend in forum #190329. As "crocodiles" are more specific than "crocodilians".

Reason why "crocodilian" is used is because it can be hard to tell the differences between the various crocodilians, especially in caricature form.

In general, aliasing a more general term to a more specific one is not a good idea, unless said specific term is massively predominant (in examples). But alligators and caimans and other non-distinguishable crocodilians pop up all the time, instead of almost exclusively crocodiles.

Honestly, I really don't care if a few alligators or gharials or whatever get lumped under crocodile, and I doubt most other people would either.

Cattywampus said:

Honestly, I really don't care if a few alligators or gharials or whatever get lumped under crocodile, and I doubt most other people would either.

We could, say, alias all the crocodilians to crocodile, or crocodilian, or even alligator. Should that be decided than it would make sense to 'rename' crocodilian tail accordingly.

But 'renaming' crocodilian tail while we still have the crocodile/alligator/crocodilian distinction going on is just... doing things in the opposite direction. And potentially disingenuous.

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Anyhow, see topic #8590. Crocodilian was picked back then as a 'compromise' because it helped break the deadlock between crocodile and alligator, as well as being useful for tagging non-distinguishable crocodilians. IMHO it also helps discourage people from creating gharial and caiman tags.

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TL;DR: Personally I wouldn't be too opposed to lumping everything under crocodile or even alligator. But I'm strongly against aliasing crocodilian tail to crocodile tail while we still have the various separate crocodilian tags being distinguished.

The bulk update request #6386 (forum #192224) has been rejected by @ljhkhjkghjybtvhyt.

The bulk update request #6333 (forum #191836) has been rejected by @nonamethanks.

ljhkhjkghjybtvhyt said:

BUR #6384 has been rejected.

create implication dragon_tail -> reptile_tail
create implication lizard_tail -> reptile_tail
create implication dinosaur_tail -> reptile_tail
create implication crocodilian_tail -> reptile_tail

Alternative solution

Relating all saurian species_tail to their general look-alike.

I still can't help but notice we can't overcome nominal differences when tagging.

This would make reptile tail 85% dragon tails. I'm not a fan of umbrella tags that are almost entirely one tag. In most cases it's just extra tag bloat.

I see

The bulk update request #6384 (forum #192222) has been rejected by @ljhkhjkghjybtvhyt.

The bulk update request #6385 (forum #192223) has been approved by @evazion.